2011 CaRPC Night Match November 19, 2011

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:10 am

Angeles shooting range has protection from the elements.

Joe308 · Post by **Joe308** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:57 am

???

Dude I was so looking forward to shooting, after helping out @ SCPRC this weekend my trigger finger was getting itchy(Not in the bad way).

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:16 am

was looking forward to shooting in the dark again. Shooters at SCPRC didnt care about the rain.

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:20 am

wildcard wrote:Angeles rules?

Rain, shine, dark, snow, or whatever.. let's do this thing!

Its fun to shoot in the rain.

rksimple · Post by **rksimple** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:25 am

Teletiger7 wrote:was looking forward to shooting in the dark again. Shooters at SCPRC didnt care about the rain.

That's why the fastest 300 took so long and we ended up shooting day stages at night. He couldn't pull out the individual timers in the rain. I think that's the main issue here. All of the electronics and such don't like the rain. On such a tight time schedule as Angeles requires, one stage like that, or one light or strobe or whatever goes down due to rain, it turns into a shit show with multiple stages not being completed. While I'm disappointed, I understand it.

Ronald Walter · Post by **Ronald Walter** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:48 am

Weather Channel is showing rain on Sunday but not Saturday. That's too bad, I was looking forward to shoot this match.

evo · Post by **evo** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:39 am

Yea, only a 10% chance Sat. Lets do this

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:48 am

No excuse for not being prepared for weather. It's 2012 almost, you can track the weather almost 10 days out.

In the 6 years I have been doing this, we called off one match. The one you guys came up to because it became unsafe in the pits. 2x4s on the target holders were snapping due to a strong head wind.

As for the fast dot drill stuff. It would of been just as easy to walk down the line with a shot timer and shot 1 guy at a time. 60 second par time. Record the time on the last shot fired per person.

You had 30 to 40 shooters make arrangments to shoot this weekend, go through whatever they had to go through to prepare for a match, and you guys didn't prepare for wet weather? in the winter? Really?

That's bullshit if you ask me. If there was that big of a concern about weather, maybe you should have put a disclaimer out that the match will be called if it's wet.

My bad for rallying the troops for this event, I promise it won't happen again.

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:28 am

evo wrote:Yea, only a 10% chance Sat. Lets do this

Updated forecast says 10%? Good chance it might not even rain then.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:24 am

I hardly doubt it's the rain that is keeping this event from happening.

StraightShooter · Post by **StraightShooter** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:26 am

Is it being rescheduled?

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:47 pm

vu308 wrote:I hardly doubt it's the rain that is keeping this event from happening.

If you don't have any additional factual information, other than what has already been posted, stop speculating and quit stirring the pot.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:57 pm

Eh Buffy,

If you dont have any information, you need to STFU. You would be surprised what one knows. Clown.

Edited: Oh since you are a part of club "leadership", speak up son. Tell us why all of us arranged to be down south for this shoot and you pretty much failed.

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:29 pm

Well I'm not as critical as Vu, but there's an accepted expectation that these events run rain or shine unless otherwise noted. Competitors sign up and sacrifice time and opportunities to attend these events. We do it not only to compete, or even to have a turn at the prize table.. but to support the club and sport.

And for the people coming from NorCal or Vegas, they probably don't even know the event is cancelled unless they're monitoring this thread.

I believe one guy is coming from the Vegas crew. Somebody should let him know.

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:21 pm

DAMN, this is gonna turn into an MMA match!

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:51 pm

bcrich wrote:DAMN, this is gonna turn into an MMA match!

Bet I win that one.

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:02 pm

Seeing as how I now have a $70 surplus.. I'd put $70 on Charlie. Who's challenging?

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:25 pm

264Charlie wrote:
Bet I win that one.

That's exactly what I was thinking! Im with Jason $70 on Charlie

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:35 pm

vu308 wrote:Eh Buffy,

If you dont have any information, you need to STFU. You would be surprised what one knows. Clown.

Edited: Oh since you are a part of club "leadership", speak up son. Tell us why all of us arranged to be down south for this shoot and you pretty much failed.

You talk a lot of smack boy. You don't know me from a hole in the ground.

"son", "clown".......... really? Probably closer the other way.

If so know so much about what's going on down here, please enlighten the rest of us......

As for how I "failed", hard to fail something I was not involved in........ but hey, I thought you knew that already.

What is this?....... Junior High School?...... I'm done.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:44 am

Henry,

You are a part of the "club leadership", yet don't know jack?

Well, please pick one; are you a sheep, or just an incompetent leader? Aren't you a board member? So which one is it Herny, are you a leader, or just a pawn.

And you're right, I don't know you. Never seen you at any events or big matches, don't even know if you actually shoot or just one of these internet trigger pullers. And honestly, I don't give a rat's ass.

And yes, I am a lil more critical than Jason is because it's BS to have 35 guys, almost HALF are nor cal shooters, make arrangements to be down there for a match, to only have it canceled due to chance of rain on the day AFTER the match.

Some guys took time off work, unpaid. Some guys moved things around with their families. Some guys was going to miss their GFs kid last soccer game of the season (which I got some heat for), and for what? For you guys to pop chute?

As for what I know, it's pretty obvious that I know a lot more than some of the leadership around these parts.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:00 am

vu308 wrote:Henry,

You are a part of the "club leadership", yet don't know jack?

Well, please pick one; are you a sheep, or just an incompetent leader? Aren't you a board member? So which one is it Herny, are you a leader, or just a pawn.

And you're right, I don't know you. Never seen you at any events or big matches, don't even know if you actually shoot or just one of these internet trigger pullers. And honestly, I don't give a rat's ass.

And yes, I am a lil more critical than Jason is because it's BS to have 35 guys, almost HALF are nor cal shooters, make arrangements to be down there for a match, to only have it canceled due to chance of rain on the day AFTER the match.

Some guys took time off work, unpaid. Some guys moved things around with their families. Some guys was going to miss their GFs kid last soccer game of the season (which I got some heat for), and for what? For you guys to pop chute?

As for what I know, it's pretty obvious that I know a lot more than some of the leadership around these parts.

Vu,

Now this is a legitimate gripe and all good points!

"Club Leadership"....... just a title, which I have no control over. How do you know whether you've seen me or not? :lol:

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:42 am

Henry,

I am not good with faces and names...so if we have met, I apologize for not remembering.

Brad: No need to call me, please post what you have to say right here. However, if you are going to tell me that 20% of rain on Saturday is what cause this match to be cancelled. Don't waste your time, I am not trying to hear that nonsense.

Randall: Surprised the man behind this whole club has yet to chime in on this? After all the bad ass ideas and you telling me how smooth shit will be at the Vegas match? 20 man crew, 7 stages of fire at a time..blah blah blah.

11 stages, 60 rounds, 35 to 40 shooters, in 3.5 hours. I was freaking impressed and was looking forward to learning on how that might be done. Considering it takes us about 5 to 6 hours to get through a steel match with 30 guys, in the day time, with 2 stages going at a time.

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:04 am

20% precipitation equates to less than 20% chance of rain. Might as well call it clear skies!

How come everyone always calls Vu? Lol.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:23 am

vu308 wrote:Randall: Surprised the man behind this whole club has yet to chime in on this? After all the bad ass ideas and you telling me how smooth shit will be at the Vegas match? 20 man crew, 7 stages of fire at a time..blah blah blah.

11 stages, 60 rounds, 35 to 40 shooters, in 3.5 hours. I was freaking impressed and was looking forward to learning on how that might be done. Considering it takes us about 5 to 6 hours to get through a steel match with 30 guys, in the day time, with 2 stages going at a time.

I didn't vote to cancel it.
I have a schedule and a crew that I am still confident would have worked.
The key was 4 areas of operation, (dividing 40 shooters into 4 groups, 10 shooters in each area), 3 different stages being fired in each area except 1 area would only have 1 stage.
2 RO's, 2 spotters, 2 shooter wranglers and 2 scoring people per area allows 1 single shooter stage and 2 multi shooter paper stages to be fired in each area by 10 shooters in 45 minutes.
Every 45 minutes, all 4 groups rotate.
It's staff intensive, but I had 29 volunteers ready to make it happen.
I'm not afraid to try something big and possibly fail.
My parents taught me that you don't know what you can acomplish until you try it.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:07 pm

wildcard wrote:20% precipitation equates to less than 20% chance of rain. Might as well call it clear skies!

How come everyone always calls Vu? Lol.

Jason, you dont even wanna see my cell bill man. It's off the chain! I finally went to an unlimited plan.

Tomorrow I have a conference call with the heads of the NRA HP Committee to discuss the potential of F-Tactical in F-Class. This would be HUGE for the sport of F-Class and give us guys that like our tac rigs another place to compete, and be ranked across the country. Hoping that goes well.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:08 pm

AR15barrels wrote:
I didn't vote to cancel it.
I have a schedule and a crew that I am still confident would have worked.
The key was 4 areas of operation, (dividing 40 shooters into 4 groups, 10 shooters in each area), 3 different stages being fired in each area except 1 area would only have 1 stage.
2 RO's, 2 spotters, 2 shooter wranglers and 2 scoring people per area allows 1 single shooter stage and 2 multi shooter paper stages to be fired in each area by 10 shooters in 45 minutes.
Every 45 minutes, all 4 groups rotate.
It's staff intensive, but I had 29 volunteers ready to make it happen.
I'm not afraid to try something big and possibly fail.
My parents taught me that you don't know what you can acomplish until you try it.

Quoting for future reference....

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:04 pm

AR15barrels wrote: I didn't vote to cancel it.

Dude.. I thought your ARE the vote.
So is the 1st annual officially cancelled? Rescheduled?

StraightShooter · Post by **StraightShooter** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:12 pm

wildcard wrote:
Dude.. I thought your ARE the vote.
So is the 1st annual officially cancelled? Rescheduled?

this would be the second annual, I won it the first year ;)

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:20 pm

Well I was going to stay out of this but have to say. Randall thanks for letting everyone know you are in the clear and how smart you are for
Coming up with "your" COF. Way to stand behind your club man.

I would assume the guy that owns the whole club could have overruled a decision if he felt so strongly about it.

Sent from my iPhone.

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:49 pm

The way this is all being handled is fucking ridiculous. Your're all grown ass men, act like it.

evo · Post by **evo** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:36 pm

I'm gonna stay out of the politics and just say I'd still love to shoot this weekend.

Mikeinla · Post by **Mikeinla** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:02 pm

Calguns?????

Short Action Precision · Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:04 pm

Mikeinla wrote:Calguns?????

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vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:04 pm

264Charlie wrote:Well I was going to stay out of this but have to say. Randall thanks for letting everyone know you are in the clear and how smart you are for
Coming up with "your" COF. Way to stand behind your club man.

I would assume the guy that owns the whole club could have overruled a decision if he felt so strongly about it.

Sent from my iPhone.

Lol...what a freaking cluster fawk. Bravo to the MDs and leadership of this organization.

Like my good friend Jason would say....don't forget your clown shoes....

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:39 pm

wildcard wrote:Dude.. I thought your ARE the vote.

You been listening to Kurtis, Vu and James then.
The club is actually run by a board of directors.
I'm just one vote.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:42 pm

264Charlie wrote:Well I was going to stay out of this but have to say. Randall thanks for letting everyone know you are in the clear and how smart you are for
Coming up with "your" COF. Way to stand behind your club man.

I would assume the guy that owns the whole club could have overruled a decision if he felt so strongly about it.

I never said anything about a COF.

I respect the fact that we do things by vote.
You can't just go off and do things on your own when you are working as part of a group.
That's sorta a key fundamental of doing things by vote...

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:44 pm

ColdSteel wrote:You're the sole owner and president of the club... Un-cancel it

I'm only one vote of several.
I can't overturn anything.

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:54 pm

Is it time to take another vote?
And the people who voted "No" to having the match stated the threat of rain as the reason?

If "the board" decides to continue with the match, i'm still in. Hell.. I already blocked off the day and cancelled a trip.. i'm all in.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:55 pm

AR15barrels wrote: You been listening to Kurtis, Vu and James then.

Did someone call my name to this storm?

Post by **snappy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:59 pm

what to do with these?

600 yard 12in plate

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:30 pm

Ok, a bunch of guys are saying they just want to shoot and we have done a bunch of prep.
We still have the range available to us as well.

We had a short meeting tonight and the consensus was that since a bunch of people want to shoot, we should still have a shoot.
So when we voted to cancel the match, the concerns were about the rain and the electronics, about how tight the schedule will be, about mobility on the range if it's muddy, about the liability we are exposed to with generators and AC powered lighting etc...

Brad and I were out at angeles again tonight doing more target tests and we are happy with what we were seeing.
Now we need to really run a bunch of shooters through a few stages on the targets and see if everything survives.
AC power has been eliminated, all battery powered lighting now, which means they can all be bagged to protect them from rain.

So let's do this low key.
5-6 stages.
Show up by 5pm to sign in.
Shooting starts at 6pm.
Bring 40 rounds.
No prizes, no bbq, no shirts, no drama, just shooting for bragging rights.
No stress that if something fails, we have to scrap stages.
No concerns about not running a perfect match for the out-of-town folks etc.
See you there...

wildcard · Post by **wildcard** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Wait.. are we getting less for the same price?
I'd be down to shoot with no prizes nor food.. but not for $70..

Do the sponsors expect their sponsorships to be in play? I've never run a match so I'm unfamiliar with the logistics. I can only assume they expect their products to be awarded at a specific venue.

lvshooter · Post by **lvshooter** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:03 am

What a bunch of whinning BITCHES. Looks like some people are going to bitch no matter what.
F#$@ing babies.

edit: oops, did I just say that.

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:42 am

wildcard wrote:
Do the sponsors expect their sponsorships to be in play? I've never run a match so I'm unfamiliar with the logistics. I can only assume they expect their products to be awarded at a specific venue.

The powers that be will try and clear themselves of that and seeing as how Charlie quit the club because of all of this I'm pretty sure this issue will be layed at his doorstep.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:55 am

Juice5610 wrote:

The powers that be will try and clear themselves of that and seeing as how Charlie quit the club because of all of this I'm pretty sure this issue will be layed at his doorstep.

I would hope the product would be sent back to the sponsors. Bottom line is, sponsors are buying advertisement with their donations. What did this event advertise except, a big fat CF. Shit like this is what makes getting sponsorship for major events like TPRC, TBRC, and other national level venues.

Ya'll have fun. I got a 1K range reserved for practice, 30 minutes away, rain or shine, we shoot.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:00 am

lvshooter wrote:What a bunch of whinning BITCHES. Looks like some people are going to bitch no matter what.
F#$@ing babies.

edit: oops, did I just say that.

You hurt my feelings Kurt. I am so glad you are still putting on matches in LV. Your venue gives us a place to shoot that is worth the time, effort, fuel, and ammo, even if it is 18 hours round trip.

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:03 am

AR15barrels wrote:
You been listening to Kurtis, Vu and James then.
The club is actually run by a board of directors.
I'm just one vote.

So who is on the board?

Most orgs have their BoD posted some where?

Edited to add: Isn't this club owned by you, and only you? And this club is setup as a for profit org?

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:08 am

Droppin bombs on your moms!!

And here I thought my 4 hours on a plane today was gonna be boring!!

vu308 · Post by **vu308** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:20 am

Cheap entertainment.

Must be something in the water in the south that effects the running of matches..... :lol:

Everyone put their popcorn away, and go back to their regular sceduled programming.

Post by **snappy** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:28 am

The checks that we have received will be returned, they have not been deposited.
Just come out and shoot Saturday night for free. We have the range and targets need to be tested.
As far as I know, we are the only club that gets to use the high power range at night, so take advantage of this opportunity.