CaPRC match at Desert Marksman 8/27/11 CANCELLED

[Gnzrme]

The 5 round limit is to keep everyone on the same playing field when it comes to bolt guns not running a detachable mag system.

[bcrich]

The 5 round limit is to keep everyone on the same playing field when it comes to bolt guns not running a detachable mag system.

I like Marks rule better ha!!! That is the reason I invested in a bottom metal, to try to keep up with you guys. If you dont run a bottom metal/ sad story..get with it! Thanks Steven you shootin Brads night match on the 27th?

[savagE]

Is that 5 rd rule in effect at those bigger matches? I plan on getting dbm but I need better glass first.

[bcrich]

Is that 5 rd rule in effect at those bigger matches? I plan on getting dbm but I need better glass first.

Hell no, they could give a rats ass about playing fair. Then again I have never shot a big match so Im just talking smack but I doubt they would have such rule.

[AR15barrels]

What is the mag limit for the carbine? 5 rounds?

No mag limits on any guns at this match.
Load em up.

[Mad minute]

have to back out of the comp. i am working the next two weeks in santabarbara. plus my rifle is down for the count waiting on a new bolt.

[omegaflash]

I am new to this forum and am not a member. I would like to attend. Count me in. I was told about this match by Rich Gonzalez.
See you all there early.
Rolo

[bcrich]

I am new to this forum and am not a member. I would like to attend. Count me in. I was told about this match by Rich Gonzalez.
See you all there early.
Rolo

Right on Rolando glad you found it! You'll have a good time for sure ,let me know if you want to convoy to the range. 909-438-7595

[maddesign]

sounds like a fun match, been missing a few :-(

This weekend is the family surf outing in Santa Cruz, last weekend before school starts

Wish I could of made this one!

[bcrich]

Damn....Boss just volunteered me to work mandatory overtime on sat...sorry to drop out, now Im missing 2 matches :x

[Chris]

Is this match still going to happen?

[AR15barrels]

Is this match still going to happen?

I was told last night that we (Caprc) are no longer invited to put on our match as part of the tac rifle match.
The tac rifle director Dave Jenkins said that the DM president called and said that it was an excom committee decision and that we (caprc) should team up with the existing precision rifle group within the Desert Marksman club.
I was not aware that there was such a group so I asked Dave if they were talking about Brad Kahn's shoot.
Dave said that he did not know who the precision rifle director was, but it was not Brad as Brad was the longrange match director.

The thing that's odd about this is that the president referred us to tac rifle in the first place...

[Chevroletkid88]

Well at least I'm not missing a match, I'm on my way to havasu right now.

[evo]

Bummer, I was lookingforward to this one

[robert hode]

I was told last night that we (Caprc) are no longer invited to put on our match as part of the tac rifle match.
The tac rifle director Dave Jenkins said that the DM president called and said that it was an excom committee decision and that we (caprc) should team up with the existing precision rifle group within the Desert Marksman club.
I was not aware that there was such a group so I asked Dave if they were talking about Brad Kahn's shoot.
Dave said that he did not know who the precision rifle director was, but it was not Brad as Brad was the longrange match director.

The thing that's odd about this is that the president referred us to tac rifle in the first place...

I was surprised when I heard DM would let us have our match there.
When I talked to the DM pres. prior, it was pretty clear they (he) didn't want us to have our matches there.
It's ashame, it would have been a great deal for both clubs.

[Chris]

I was told last night that we (Caprc) are no longer invited to put on our match as part of the tac rifle match.
The tac rifle director Dave Jenkins said that the DM president called and said that it was an excom committee decision and that we (caprc) should team up with the existing precision rifle group within the Desert Marksman club.
I was not aware that there was such a group so I asked Dave if they were talking about Brad Kahn's shoot.
Dave said that he did not know who the precision rifle director was, but it was not Brad as Brad was the longrange match director.

The thing that's odd about this is that the president referred us to tac rifle in the first place...

Referring only to the bold above and with no comment one way or the other, I can tell you it was not an Executive Committee decision.

[vu308]

That's too bad. Looked like it would have been a good venue.


Just and FYI.

For future reference, if CAPRC wants to operate on other ranges like DM, it would be a good idea to attend a board meeting and ask the board of directors for permission.

A MD may say "yah, let’s do it", but the BoD will have final say. We went through the same issues when kicking off at Sac Valley. I and a few others attended board meetings and made sure the BoD was comfortable with what we were doing on their range.

It took a long time to build a trusting relation between NCPPRC and FSC.

Going to the board meetings and showing that you guys are professionals and not yahoos will go a long way with board members. Their job is to protect their range at all cost, so you have to put yourself in their shoes if an unknown group to them wants to operate on their range.

As a board member, I would be WTF if another club came onto our property and ran a match. We require all external club and vendors to list FSC as an insured on their insurance policies.

[Gnzrme]

That's too bad. Looked like it would have been a good venue.


Just and FYI.

For future reference, if CAPRC wants to operate on other ranges like DM, it would be a good idea to attend a board meeting and ask the board of directors for permission.

A MD may say "yah, let’s do it", but the BoD will have final say. We went through the same issues when kicking off at Sac Valley. I and a few others attended board meetings and made sure the BoD was comfortable with what we were doing on their range.

It took a long time to build a trusting relation between NCPPRC and FSC.

Going to the board meetings and showing that you guys are professionals and not yahoos will go a long way with board members. Their job is to protect their range at all cost, so you have to put yourself in their shoes if an unknown group to them wants to operate on their range.

As a board member, I would be WTF if another club came onto our property and ran a match. We require all external club and vendors to list FSC as an insured on their insurance policies.

Thats exactly what we did and then they (the President) did a complete 180. Thats why we are upset....

[savagE]

What a bummer. I've been looking forward to this all month I have ammo loaded and ready to go. Guess I'll be hitting up Angeles on Saturday instead.

[AR15barrels]

For future reference, if CAPRC wants to operate on other ranges like DM, it would be a good idea to attend a board meeting and ask the board of directors for permission.

A MD may say "yah, let’s do it", but the BoD will have final say. We went through the same issues when kicking off at Sac Valley. I and a few others attended board meetings and made sure the BoD was comfortable with what we were doing on their range.

This process was started last year at DM board meetings.
In June, we attended the DM board meeting and gave an official presentation to try to obtain an un-used weekend day to run our matches a few times a year on their range.
The president referred us to their "tac rifle" director and recommended we team up with him.
Then we attended one of their "tac rifle" matches and met with the director and he agreed to us planning a match that his crew and our crew would execute in August on a "preliminary trial" basis pending his regular guys and his other RO's approval of future possible matches.

[Gnzrme]

So I thought that I had Gary's cell phone #, but I do not. If another member has it and wishes to PM it to me, then I would say thank you.

[Point of Impact]

bummer, guess I'll see you guys at the next match.

[ReligiousShooter]

It was probably because of the Boo thread.

DM members are all about the ass.

[Chris]

It was probably because of the Boo thread.

DM members are all about the ass.

Huh?

[ReligiousShooter]

Exactly.

[Gnzrme]

[vu308]

I was surprised when I heard DM would let us have our match there.
When I talked to the DM pres. prior, it was pretty clear they (he) didn't want us to have our matches there.
It's ashame, it would have been a great deal for both clubs.

Might be a good idea to hit up the next board meeting and get the scoop directly from the board? Looks like the pres feels differently according to Robert talking to him?

Ranges politics are funny in a lot of ways...so it could just be a mis-understanding that prompted the pres to cancel your match.

[Chris]

Might be a good idea to hit up the next board meeting and get the scoop directly from the board? Looks like the pres feels differently according to Robert talking to him?

Ranges politics are funny in a lot of ways...so it could just be a mis-understanding that prompted the pres to cancel your match.

You're getting the scoop directly from the board. The board did not cancel this match.

[vu308]

I was told last night that we (Caprc) are no longer invited to put on our match as part of the tac rifle match.
The tac rifle director Dave Jenkins said that the DM president called and said that it was an excom committee decision and that we (caprc) should team up with the existing precision rifle group within the Desert Marksman club.
I was not aware that there was such a group so I asked Dave if they were talking about Brad Kahn's shoot.
Dave said that he did not know who the precision rifle director was, but it was not Brad as Brad was the longrange match director.

The thing that's odd about this is that the president referred us to tac rifle in the first place...

This process was started last year at DM board meetings.
In June, we attended the DM board meeting and gave an official presentation to try to obtain an un-used weekend day to run our matches a few times a year on their range.
The president referred us to their "tac rifle" director and recommended we team up with him.
Then we attended one of their "tac rifle" matches and met with the director and he agreed to us planning a match that his crew and our crew would execute in August on a "preliminary trial" basis pending his regular guys and his other RO's approval of future possible matches.

[vu308]

Is their Tac Rifle Group and HP/F-Class group seperate?

If so, maybe he meant the HP Group?

A lot of ranges refer to their carbine/3gun group as tac rifle, and their HP/F-Class guys as precision rifle. Believe it or not, a lot of people do not know of, or understand practical/tactical precision rifle shooting.

[oni]

Is their Tac Rifle Group and HP/F-Class group seperate?

If so, maybe he meant the HP Group?

A lot of ranges refer to their carbine/3gun group as tac rifle, and their HP/F-Class guys as precision rifle. Believe it or not, a lot of people do not know of, or understand practical/tactical precision rifle shooting.

Vu,

Chris is the VP of the DM Club which is why he made the comment above that the information is coming from the (DM) Board and that the Board did not cancel the match.

We are and have been pursuing this joint venture thru the proper channels.

[omegaflash]

I'm glad I checked in to make sure everything was still on. Sorry to hear that it is all a bust. I hope to make it to another match in the future.

[vu308]

Vu,

Chris is the VP of the DM Club which is why he made the comment above that the information is coming from the (DM) Board and that the Board did not cancel the match.

We are and have been pursuing this joint venture thru the proper channels.

Sorry, I did not know who Chris is. Sounds like you guys got hosed big time if the call wasn't from the board. Good luck, hopefully you guys will have a new range to put matches on. The DM facility looks like it has a lot of potential.

[GforceJunkie]

So the question is who did the club piss off?

[Chris]

Right now, the answer as I know it is, no one. I am going to a secret squirrel meeting here in a minute and maybe I will have some more answers when it is over. Whatever I can let you guys know, I will.

I am a little irritated over the way this seems to have gone down, but I didn't have any say in it.

[Chris]

I will share that one of the reasons that DM was hesitant to fit CAPRC in is that we have a very full match schedule. There is a match almost every Saturday and Sunday of the month. I might suggest that you guys have a look at the match schedule and look into doing something in the afternoon or early evening. All our matches with the exception of tomorrow nights 600 yard match start at 8 and are usually done by 1 or so.