CAPRC Marksmanship Clinics

Post by **AR15barrels** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:43 pm

Once a year, we put on a series of shoots where you can come out and get an introduction to long range precision rifle shooting.
The ultimate goal of our club is to get more people involved with organized precision rifle competitions.
We hope to accomplish this goal by gathering up new precision rifle shooters and assisting/mentoring/training them until such time that they have a firm grasp of the required skills and are ready to shoot matches.

We run our new shooter introduction and our precision and positional shoots at Angeles Ranges as it's convenient for most in the Los Angeles area.
For our longrange shoot, we go to a range up in Kern County with paper targets out to 1000 yards.
The longrange shoot is a great opportunity to stretch your rifle's legs as most public ranges don't have targets past about 600yds.

We now have four Clinics:
Clinic "A" will be our "new precision rifle shooter introduction". We will teach proper position behind the gun and the scope as well as use of the scope and it's features. Then we will check and adjust zero. This is a pure fundamentals of marksmanship course which will all be shot in prone at 100yds. Course of fire "A" is be recommended for new shooters without a proper zero and is a pre-requisite to course of fire B, C and D.
Clinic "B" will be a dope gathering session out to 600yds with an emphasis on calling your shot and spotting for a partner out to 600yds from the prone position. Course of fire "B" requires that the shooter already has a solid zero and knows the fundamentals taught in course of fire "A".
Clinic "C" will be will go through the conventional unsupported positions of offhand, kneeling and seated and then some improvised supported positions such as barricades, props and side-prone. Course of fire "C" requires that the shooter has completed course of fire "A".
Clinic "D" will be longer range targets from 600 out to 1000yds, all prone. Course of fire "C" requires that the shooter already has a solid zero and has completed course of fire "A".

Tentative 2016 Clinic Dates:
Sunday, 4/17/16 Clinic "A" New Precision Rifle Shooter Introduction
Sunday, 4/24/16 Clinic "B" Midrange targets
Sunday, 5/1/16 Clinic "C" Unsupported & improvised positions
Sunday, 6/5/16 Clinic "D" Longrange Targets

RawImpact · Post by **RawImpact** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:47 pm

Is this restricted to bolt action only or do you allow practice with precision built AR15's?

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:53 pm

Ive seen more than a couple ARs at these shoots

RawImpact · Post by **RawImpact** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:57 pm

Sounds good, just waiting out my WOA that's suppose to come in ~1 month.

Thanks for the quick response.

H2H · Post by **H2H** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:59 pm

yes ! I know where the spot is, I just need to make the drive there

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:06 pm

Randall, in the future can we make the 1000yd steel smaller? I found that being as big as it is really didn't do much to help me learn in the wind. Sure i was hitting it, but was it on the left side? The right side? Perfect windage? IDK cause that thing is HUGE!!

The 800 had the same problem only not as bad. Still probably a good .5mil of error that you have no clue if it was good and center or on the edge.

What is the typical sizes found at all distances in a good match? Is the ol' 1moa rule the standard or maybe 1.5moa?? Im talking height & width

RawImpact · Post by **RawImpact** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:29 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:Randall, in the future can we make the 1000yd steel smaller? I found that being as big as it is really didn't do much to help me learn in the wind. Sure i was hitting it, but was it on the left side? The right side? Perfect windage? IDK cause that thing is HUGE!!

The 800 had the same problem only not as bad. Still probably a good .5mil of error that you have no clue if it was good and center or on the edge.

What is the typical sizes found at all distances in a good match? Is the ol' 1moa rule the standard or maybe 1.5moa?? Im talking height & width

showoff!

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:53 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:Randall, in the future can we make the 1000yd steel smaller? I found that being as big as it is really didn't do much to help me learn in the wind. Sure i was hitting it, but was it on the left side? The right side? Perfect windage? IDK cause that thing is HUGE!!

quit using a rear bag or go back to a 308 an see if you still feel that way.

StraightShooter · Post by **StraightShooter** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:10 pm

How big is the target at 1000 yards right now? It all depends on the wind too. I have shot at pendleton where I was able to keep pretty much everything in the 9's and 10's and score quite a few x's but the wind was 5mph or less. I went out to the desert this last friday and shot 1000 yards and the wind was super switchy and any anywhere from 5 to 15mph gusts. Shooting a .243 at 1000 is definitely not the end all be all laser cartridge everyone says it is. Past 700 yards there is a big change in how much the wind pushed it around. At 600 yards it was grouping in a 4" pattern in a light breeze consistently. Too easy really but at 1k one moment I would have to holt 1.5 MOA off the right and the next 2.0 MOA off the left and you couldnt even feel the wind change. The mirage wasnt very readable so I was getting a lot of misses. When the wind died down I put 5 rounds into a 6 inch group back to back. On other days where there is no wind, drilling a 15" plate at 1k every time is child's play.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:51 pm

AR15barrels wrote: quit using a rear bag or go back to a 308 an see if you still feel that way.

Thats why i'm choosing a .308 for my next build. I suck at reading wind and need help.

How big is a typical 1000yd plate in a match?

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:51 pm

StraightShooter wrote:How big is the target at 1000 yards right now? It all depends on the wind too. I have shot at pendleton where I was able to keep pretty much everything in the 9's and 10's and score quite a few x's but the wind was 5mph or less. I went out to the desert this last friday and shot 1000 yards and the wind was super switchy and any anywhere from 5 to 15mph gusts. Shooting a .243 at 1000 is definitely not the end all be all laser cartridge everyone says it is. Past 700 yards there is a big change in how much the wind pushed it around. At 600 yards it was grouping in a 4" pattern in a light breeze consistently. Too easy really but at 1k one moment I would have to holt 1.5 MOA off the right and the next 2.0 MOA off the left and you couldnt even feel the wind change. The mirage wasnt very readable so I was getting a lot of misses. When the wind died down I put 5 rounds into a 6 inch group back to back. On other days where there is no wind, drilling a 15" plate at 1k every time is child's play.

Someone said it was like 28"x36" or something like that

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:09 pm

I was happy just to hit the damn thing with my 308 but couldn't hit it consistently. I suck at reading wind too! Maybe some flags would help downrange? (excuses,excuses) It's been awhile since I joined you guys at the spot so looking forward to the next one.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:32 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:Someone said it was like 28"x36" or something like that

it is 19x30

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:40 pm

AR15barrels wrote:
it is 19x30

19x19 sounds like a good compromise

StraightShooter · Post by **StraightShooter** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:27 pm

AR15barrels wrote:
it is 19x30

Ya, thats big! But good for getting new guys on target.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:30 pm

This ^ new guy needs to learn wind!

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:30 pm

Me too it's kind of bad to start with a laser.

Post by **oni** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:46 pm

Thats okay. This new guy needs to learn EVERYTHING

rksimple · Post by **rksimple** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:56 pm

264Charlie wrote:Me too it's kind of bad to start with a laser.

Maybe. You'll still see dropped points. But instead of off the paper, you might get a 7.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:06 pm

rksimple wrote:Maybe. You'll still see dropped points. But instead of off the paper, you might get a 7.

You were not at sac valley last weekend... ;)

Post by **Gnzrme** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:50 pm

When I shoot at Cuyama, the targets are 72" or 6'. I am shooting a 155 2156 bullet and in a 10mph crosswind, it has an 84" drift (or so I was told) so you better be good at reading wind as you will get blown off the target very easily....

10mph winds are not that rare at that sight, so I like to go out there and shoot....

aermotor · Post by **aermotor** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:04 pm

Hey Randall what's the elevation at our "range"

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:14 pm

aermotor wrote:Hey Randall what's the elevation at our "range"

4000ft.

badtrout · Post by **badtrout** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:01 am

Newbie here:
I hope it's not a problem to come out to the next shoots (A and B) even though my rifle is only zeroed to 150yds. And no, I don't want you guys wasting your shooting time helping me! :-) I just don't want to wait until June 27 to begin the "watch and learn" process.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:09 am

badtrout wrote:Newbie here:
I hope it's not a problem to come out to the next shoots (A and B) even though my rifle is only zeroed to 150yds. And no, I don't want you guys wasting your shooting time helping me! :-) I just don't want to wait until June 27 to begin the "watch and learn" process.

No problem.
It would be helpful to go re-zero at 100yds before you come though.
That way you can build dope from a proper 100yd zero.

badtrout · Post by **badtrout** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:26 am

Er...I meant 100yrd.... my mind was on work with pixels and such - so much for multi-tasking... But I would definitely like to re-zero it to make sure with knowledgeable people to assist ...so I'll make sure to come out to the next "C" course.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:54 pm

Cool, I'll have to go to one of these when I get my ARs built.

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:56 pm

Might want to build a bolt gun...

aermotor · Post by **aermotor** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:04 pm

Agreed... these are more for bolt guns but I guess high-end semis would work... still a different beast though.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:45 pm

I will, when I'm done with the semis.

I want to build one like this, I think it's a 300 win mag. Those DTAs are cool to.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politi ... ideosearch

mitchsti · Post by **mitchsti** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:32 pm

man I wish you guys did this farther up north I would love to try something beyond 3 to 500yds.
And I do know about sac but from the pics I have seen in this post it looks way better where you go.

linkpimp · Post by **linkpimp** » Sat May 08, 2010 3:14 pm

Hey team.. I’m just curious when our next practice meet and shoot is?? I’m getting my rifle next week and I’m looking forward to meeting everyone..

Thanks

Link..

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Sat May 08, 2010 3:35 pm

You did not read the first post in this thread

linkpimp · Post by **linkpimp** » Sat May 08, 2010 3:44 pm

Sorry.. My BAD...

The good news is I'll be there this month.. very cool..

thanks and sorry about that..

Cbad308 · Post by **Cbad308** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:28 pm

Once I get my blaster up and running, I plan to make my presence known

Someone has to be the back-marker

~A

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:58 pm

linkpimp wrote:Sorry.. My BAD...

The good news is I'll be there this month.. very cool..

thanks and sorry about that..

No worries at all... Hope you see you out soon.

aermotor · Post by **aermotor** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:49 am

Randall, is it correct that this months shoot will be on Saturday the 22nd instead of the usual Sundays, or is that just a typo?

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:54 am

aermotor wrote:Randall, is it correct that this months shoot will be on Saturday the 22nd instead of the usual Sundays, or is that just a typo?

this months shoot is Saturday and next mo is Sunday. We rotate weekends to accomidate those who works or have other things going on either of those days.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Thu May 13, 2010 10:09 am

I posted the announcement for may's shoot.

Cbad308 · Post by **Cbad308** » Thu May 13, 2010 12:26 pm

This is awesome. I can make most Saturday events. Where is this coming Sat's event?

~A

DirtRacer151 wrote:this months shoot is Saturday and next mo is Sunday. We rotate weekends to accomidate those who works or have other things going on either of those days.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu May 13, 2010 12:34 pm

Cbad308 wrote:This is awesome. I can make most Saturday events. Where is this coming Sat's event?

~A

Near tehachapi Edwards afb area

Cbad308 · Post by **Cbad308** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:04 pm

Thanks DR151, Do you have coords or lat/lon for this place?

I have signed up for a bunch of OT shifts to have rifle fully equipped hopefully sooner than I had first thought.

~A

DirtRacer151 wrote:Near tehachapi Edwards afb area

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:13 pm

Cbad308 wrote:Thanks DR151, Do you have coords or lat/lon for this place?

I have signed up for a bunch of OT shifts to have rifle fully equipped hopefully sooner than I had first thought.

~A

We don't give those out. We ask that you attend with the group. There is a meeting spot listed at newhall and you can follow from there or ride with someone.

Cbad308 · Post by **Cbad308** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:17 pm

Ahh, ok, sorry...

~A

DirtRacer151 wrote:
We don't give those out. We ask that you attend with the group. There is a meeting spot listed at newhall and you can follow from there or ride with someone.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:22 pm

Cbad308 wrote:Ahh, ok, sorry...

~A

No biggie. Vandalism/theft has been an issue in the past. If we told everyone how to get there we'd have nothing left.

aermotor · Post by **aermotor** » Sun May 16, 2010 10:01 pm

Yea good point for sure.

linkpimp · Post by **linkpimp** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:05 pm

Can we please get an announcement on the June shoot..

I’m really looking forward to this one as it’s geared towards to the newbie..

Thanks..

khw9mm · Post by **khw9mm** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:18 pm

linkpimp wrote:Can we please get an announcement on the June shoot..

I’m really looking forward to this one as it’s geared towards to the newbie..

Thanks..

I have it down on my iCal for June 27th at the usual spot. It's gonna be my 2nd time with the guys and 1st time with my rig so I'm looking forward to it too!!

Connor P Price · Post by **Connor P Price** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:22 pm

Yup, 27th it is. Randall usually starts the thread a week beforehand if i remember correctly (falling asleep so i wont bother to check). It falls on my girlfriends birthday this month, she said I can go, but it might be wiser of me to miss this shoot and score some points. I'm sure sometime there's going to be something bigger down the road like a match that I want to go to that conflicts with something else and this way I'll be able to say "remember when I missed a shoot for your birthday?"

khw9mm · Post by **khw9mm** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:09 am

Connor P Price wrote:Yup, 27th it is. Randall usually starts the thread a week beforehand if i remember correctly (falling asleep so i wont bother to check). It falls on my girlfriends birthday this month, she said I can go, but it might be wiser of me to miss this shoot and score some points. I'm sure sometime there's going to be something bigger down the road like a match that I want to go to that conflicts with something else and this way I'll be able to say "remember when I missed a shoot for your birthday?"

You are a wise man, Connor....it was a trap!! :lol: