CaPRC Marksmanship Clinic "A" 5-20-12

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:27 am

Come on out and join us at Angeles for our new precision rifle shooter orientation on Sunday May 20th.
We will teach how to get behind the gun/scope, attaining proper eye relief, using the features of the scope and natural point of aim.
Then we will check your zero at 100yds and get the knobs set to zero and work on the basics of marksmanship.
The course curriculum was written by a former USMC scout sniper instructor.
This is a beginning precision rifle shooter clinic so we will concentrate on basic marksmanship as it is the basis of all future learning.
This will be shot at 100yds.
Fees are $50 for non members or $40 for club members.
The entry fee covers the classroom session, cold drinks and BBQ lunch.
We will limit this to 30 shooters as that gives us a full firing line.
Plan on a full day as the schedule has us shooting until at least 4pm.
You may attend the classroom portion as a non-shooter and then observe the shooting portion of the day for a reduced $20 non-shooter fee.

Tentative schedule as follows:
8:30 Sign-in at hunters education classroom
9:00 Classroom session at hunters education clasroom
11:45 move to the rifle line and safety briefing
12:00 verify, correct and zero knobs at 100yds (10 rds)
12:30 BBQ lunch break
1:00 open shooting time with instruction

Some things to bring:
Precision rifle wearing a scope with target knobs, eye/ear protection, sunscreen, chamber flag, 80 rounds of match quality ammo, shooting mat or blanket, bipod, some kind of rear bag or sand sock, small notepad and a pencil or pen to take notes.
Bring what you have, don't worry too much about what you don't have.
We always make do with what we have.

This is a Precision Rifle event so if the gun/scope/ammo is not capable of shooting tight groups, it will detract from your overall experience at the shoot.
If possible, please have your rifle zeroed at 100yds and your knobs set to zero.
We will verify a correct zero at the shoot, but it takes time that is better spent putting rounds on targets.

RSVP's for CaPRC club members will be accepted after 12 noon on Monday 5/14/12.
RSVP's for non club members will be accepted after 12 noon on Wednesday 5/16/12.
RSVP by posting "I will be there" in this thread to get on the shooters list.
Any shooter RSVP's posted before those times will be ignored or deleted.

We are also looking for experienced club members to show up and help instruct.
If you are able to help on the line, please RSVP anytime.

The following people have acceptably RSVP'd as shooters:
1 Radiation Shooter
2 shaib777
3 ADAM
4 smogcity
5 KOMET163
6 GettoPhilosopher
7 jmorello
8 _45heat
9 Gunman308
10 franky882010
11 sebse30m3
12 bindoubt
13 gesundheit
14 macs-impala-ss
15 boltactionluv
16 bigmike82
17 William
18 Crow King
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24
25
26
27
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29
30

The following people will work the line:
AR15barrels
264Charlie
short action precision
G-forcejunkie
Gnzrme
savagE
gau17
WhiteDingo
Tackman11

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:34 pm

I can help if needed.

gau17 · Post by **gau17** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:25 pm

I can help with setting up if needed

Post by **Gnzrme** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:07 pm

I am scheduled to work that day, but I will either trade or develop a 24 hour Norro Virus....

WhiteDingo · Post by **WhiteDingo** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:08 pm

I'm in to help set up and assist on the line, if needed.

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:30 pm

I can help if needed

smokingloon · Post by **smokingloon** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:31 am

Do we just send you a PM to RSVP?

Post by **AR15barrels** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:51 am

smokingloon wrote:Do we just send you a PM to RSVP?

Just post your RSVP in this thread PER THE FIRST POST.

smokingloon · Post by **smokingloon** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:59 pm

AR15barrels wrote:
Just post your RSVP in this thread PER THE FIRST POST.

ooops.... I got so excited I jumped the gun... I can't wait.

Thanks.

Tackman11 · Post by **Tackman11** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:49 pm

I can help if needed

bindoubt · Post by **bindoubt** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:22 am

I would really love to get in to precision shooting, I will definitely try to register on the 16t. But one questions, does the $50 include the range fee at Angeles?

-Brandon

Post by **Gnzrme** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:50 am

Yes... And a lunch too...

Peter W Bush · Post by **Peter W Bush** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:33 pm

And the lunch is pretty damn good lol

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:17 pm

Oh Ya.

Peter W Bush wrote:And the lunch is pretty damn good lol

bindoubt · Post by **bindoubt** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:42 pm

oh man, that looks freaking amazing! I can't wait

Post by **Gnzrme** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:03 pm

Hope its not burgers this time....

Short Action Precision · Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:02 am

In to help on this.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:36 pm

Randall, Brad, and Charlie,

Someone just posted this on Calguns on the Clinic A announcement:

My wife and I would LOVE to come, but it's going to depend on whether our newborn (1 week old yesterday!) is doing well enough that she can stay with the babysitter by then. We'll know by the time registration opens.

Only other problem....I've got an AR308 (Black Hole Weaponry 20" SS/Geissele SSA-E/Vortex Viper PST 4-16 FFP MIL), and she's got a complimentary SDM-R inspired spotter's rifle (WOA 20" SDMR, Geissele SSA-E/TA11F), but that ACOG is the only optic we've got left. I'm assuming it's not kosher, right? (No target knobs, not really a "precision" sight, etc)

I presume HIS AR308 BHW SSAE VVPST FFP MILMIL R2D2 is fine, but I don't know if HER SDMR WOA SSAE TA11F C3PO is.

My general response to questions like this is to tell people to bring whatever they have, but you guys are running the clinic and I wanted to check with you first. Should I tell him her ACOG without the turret caps on is all right for the clinic or does he need a scope with target knobs?

Short Action Precision · Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:52 pm

I would think if its only 100yds it should be fine. All about the basics anyways. But like you said its not our rodeo.

"C3PO" thats funny!

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:10 pm

Yeah, that was me. Thanks for crossposting. Sorry for the gobbleygook. ;)

Like I said, it's mostly dependent on whether our newborn is doing well enough we can get away for a day, but *IF* that works out, would the ACOG work? Alternatively, I might be able to beg/borrow a scope off a buddy.

Let me know whenever. I'm in no rush.

johnlee wrote:Randall, Brad, and Charlie,

Someone just posted this on Calguns on the Clinic A announcement:

I presume HIS AR308 BHW SSAE VVPST FFP MILMIL R2D2 is fine, but I don't know if HER SDMR WOA SSAE TA11F C3PO is.

My general response to questions like this is to tell people to bring whatever they have, but you guys are running the clinic and I wanted to check with you first. Should I tell him her ACOG without the turret caps on is all right for the clinic or does he need a scope with target knobs?

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:28 pm

Bring what you have. Not my clinic but I am helping so what the hell. Worst case I can coach you personally.

Short Action Precision · Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:17 pm

264Charlie wrote:Bring what you have. Not my clinic but I am helping so what the hell. Worst case I can coach you personally.

An offer you cannot refuse! Unless your baby says other wise!

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:49 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:
An offer you cannot refuse! Unless your baby says other wise!

I agree! We'll have to see if logistics pan out on this one, but if they do....we'll be there!

I've been wanting to hit up one of you guys' events for a while now.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:11 am

johnlee wrote:Should I tell him her ACOG without the turret caps on is all right for the clinic or does he need a scope with target knobs?

I can tell you from experience that a 3.5 or 4x magnification is not going to be enough magnification to fully benefit from what we are teaching.
Acog's are not parallax adjustable either which will cause inaccuracy.
I would suggest that both the husband and wife share his 308 as it has a more appropriate scope.
I think that we will be doing odd and even shooter groups and that makes it possible for two people to share a rifle.

you-ths · Post by **you-ths** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:39 pm

Hi All,

First time posting on this forum.
My question is like the ACOG one.

Would a 16" free floated 5.56mm with eotech and a 3x magnifier be ok for this shoot?
Its a regular eotech no BDC reticle. Thanks.

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:23 pm

GettoPhilosopher wrote:

I agree! We'll have to see if logistics pan out on this one, but if they do....we'll be there! I've been wanting to hit up one of you guys' events for a while now.

We'll still have to see how my wife's feeling, but I'm good to go as long as there's room! (Just saying informally. I read the OP. I'll actually reserve my spot at the appropriate time ;))

Post by **AR15barrels** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:28 pm

you-ths wrote:Would a 16" free floated 5.56mm with eotech and a 3x magnifier be ok for this shoot?

No.

_45heat · Post by **_45heat** » Thu May 03, 2012 8:50 pm

Hi, I just joined and interested in joining this clinic, as I'm new to rifles. How does one become a member? Been trying to find it with no luck? Thanks

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:08 pm

_45heat wrote:Hi, I just joined and interested in joining this clinic, as I'm new to rifles. How does one become a member? Been trying to find it with no luck? Thanks

http://www.caprc.com/site/membership.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You don't have to be a CaPRC member for this class, but it will save you $10 on this and other matches and clinics untill Dec 31st.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Fri May 04, 2012 6:35 pm

I will be on the left rifle line this Sunday 5/6/12 8am to about 1pm if anyone needs help zeroing or getting gear squared away for this clinic.

bigmike82 · Post by **bigmike82** » Sat May 05, 2012 8:55 am

So semi-autos are okay for this shoot?

I've got an M1A with a Leupold Mark 4 4-16x...would that work?

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sat May 05, 2012 5:48 pm

That will work if its an accurate rifle.

bigmike82 wrote:So semi-autos are okay for this shoot?

I've got an M1A with a Leupold Mark 4 4-16x...would that work?

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Sat May 05, 2012 7:11 pm

GforceJunkie wrote:That will work if its an accurate rifle.

I'm less worried about my rifle, more worried about by ammo. Due to budgetary crap, I'm limited to my stock on hand of Federal American Eagle 150gr.

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GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

GettoPhilosopher wrote:
I'm less worried about my rifle, more worried about by ammo. Due to budgetary crap, I'm limited to my stock on hand of Federal American Eagle 150gr.

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Thats not going to cut it. We cant teach you to shoot 1/2" targets at 100 yards if the ammo wont do but a few inches. Have you shot this ammo for groups and what size are they?

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:28 am

GforceJunkie wrote:
Thats not going to cut it. We cant teach you to shoot 1/2" targets at 100 yards if the ammo wont do but a few inches. Have you shot this ammo for groups and what size are they?

Im new enough to this I can't tell which anomalies are my fault and which are the ammo's, honestly. Which I'm assuming *is* the problem, right? If you can't tell what's the ammo and what's the shooter, how can you know when/what you're doing wrong?

Last time I shot I averaged about 1-1.25 MOA. (5-8 shot groups) Some were better, some were worse. Best was .625", but that was only a 3 shot group (and I know those are very often misleading).

Looking around my normal sources (PSA, SGA, AIM, etc) it looks like out of the match ammo choices, federal gold metal match is actually the most affordable. Does that sound right to you guys, or am I looking at the wrong things/in the wrong places?

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/2 ... 168gr-bthp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/2 ... hking-ammo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can't thank you guys enough for helping the new guy out.

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ta2dtrent · Post by **ta2dtrent** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:59 am

GettoPhilosopher wrote:
Im new enough to this I can't tell which anomalies are my fault and which are the ammo's, honestly. Which I'm assuming *is* the problem, right? If you can't tell what's the ammo and what's the shooter, how can you know when/what you're doing wrong?

Last time I shot I averaged about 1-1.25 MOA. (5-8 shot groups) Some were better, some were worse. Best was .625", but that was only a 3 shot group (and I know those are very often misleading).

Looking around my normal sources (PSA, SGA, AIM, etc) it looks like out of the match ammo choices, federal gold metal match is actually the most affordable. Does that sound right to you guys, or am I looking at the wrong things/in the wrong places?

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/2 ... 168gr-bthp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/2 ... hking-ammo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can't thank you guys enough for helping the new guy out.

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You will be fine with the federal gold metal 168's for this class...

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sun May 06, 2012 11:01 am

GettoPhilosopher wrote:
Im new enough to this I can't tell which anomalies are my fault and which are the ammo's, honestly. Which I'm assuming *is* the problem, right? If you can't tell what's the ammo and what's the shooter, how can you know when/what you're doing wrong?

Exactly. When we are teaching, all we can do is judge/guess what you are doing wrong by where the bullet impacts the target. The more factors that are moving that bullet around, the harder it is to pinpoint what you are doing. Removing as many variables is key.

KOMET163 · Post by **KOMET163** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:40 pm

Really hope to get in I can sure use some good training in this new to me discipline . Food looked great too!

GettoPhilosopher · Post by **GettoPhilosopher** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:54 pm

ta2dtrent wrote:You will be fine with the federal gold metal 168's for this class...

I should go with 168s even though the 175s are the same price? What I've been reading is they're better out to 800y or so but 175s rule past that?

Sorry for the FNG questions.

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ta2dtrent · Post by **ta2dtrent** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:59 pm

If the 175's are the same then buy them. Usually the 168's are a bit cheaper. This clinic is only out to 100 thats why I said the 168's were fine. Dont worry about the questions.. You have to learn somehow..

Post by **Gnzrme** » Sun May 06, 2012 7:55 pm

Secured the day off. See you at the Clinic

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:47 pm

In to help as well.

Short Action Precision · Tue May 08, 2012 8:12 am

Helping as well

Radiation Shooter · Post by **Radiation Shooter** » Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 am

In to learn.
Paid membership, turned in application and mailed proof of NRA membership in.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Michael

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 am

Your in, I know your a member. I'll get your named changed to green and access to the members forums.

Radiation Shooter wrote:In to learn.
Paid membership, turned in application and mailed proof of NRA membership in.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Michael

Post by **smogcity** » Mon May 14, 2012 2:23 pm

I will be there!

shaib777 · Post by **shaib777** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:38 pm

I will be There !!!

ADAM · Post by **ADAM** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:52 am

I will be there to learn

Post by **smogcity** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:11 am

I sent in my renewal 10 days ago, but i'm still not showing as "green"

Chevroletkid88 · Post by **Chevroletkid88** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:28 am

I am planning on checking the p.o. Box tonight. I typically check every two weeks. Sorry about the delay man.