Ben vs. Mark shootout

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:16 pm

.22 rimfires from the bench at 50 yards.
Ben (shooter A) had his Ruger and I (shooter B) had my Amt.

When the dust settled.....
Ben - 849 points.
Mark - 1,189 points.

Thanks Ben, had a damn good time.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:34 pm

Sounds like a good time

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:01 pm

I am humbled before my lord and master of the "Rim". Zeus of War-Mark of the "Rim". I will always walk 10 paces behind and to the left. But this small and behumbled seeker of the center will continue to seek a higher level and earn the respect of Mark of the "Rim"
Ben

Dive N Shoot · Post by **Dive N Shoot** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:11 pm

Good job guys. Mark - what is your gun? Not familiar with amt.

And my buddy is looking to get scope for his 22lr. What are you guys using, any suggestions?

Short Action Precision · Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:17 pm

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:I am humbled before my lord and master of the "Rim". Zeus of War-Mark of the "Rim". I will always walk 10 paces behind and to the left. But this small and behumbled seeker of the center will continue to seek a higher level and earn the respect of Mark of the "Rim"
Ben

I'm pretty sure Rim King is the name Connor gave to Kurtis. Good shooting by the way. Mike Vortexs are a good 22 scope check those out.

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:37 pm

Good shootin guys, It was too damn packed to be over on the left side with you guys, had to stay on the far right! Cant wait to get my .22

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:03 pm

AMT Custom Challenge Elite. Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50
McMillan STC stock.
Shilen 16.5'' 17 twist match barrel with a Bentz Chamber. 6'' bloop tube ext. .218 bore
AMT trigger.Breaks at 1.5 lbs.
17-4PH Stainless Olympic receiver with threaded barrel and tang lug.
Burris Signature 30mm Zee rings.

Dive N Shoot wrote:Good job guys. Mark - what is your gun? Not familiar with amt.

And my buddy is looking to get scope for his 22lr. What are you guys using, any suggestions?

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:04 pm

I just got lucky

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:I am humbled before my lord and master of the "Rim". Zeus of War-Mark of the "Rim". I will always walk 10 paces behind and to the left. But this small and behumbled seeker of the center will continue to seek a higher level and earn the respect of Mark of the "Rim"
Ben

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:39 pm

shooter65 wrote:AMT Custom Challenge Elite. Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50
McMillan STC stock.
Shilen 16.5'' 17 twist match barrel with a Bentz Chamber. 6'' bloop tube ext. .218 bore
AMT trigger.Breaks at 1.5 lbs.
17-4PH Stainless Olympic receiver with threaded barrel and tang lug.
Burris Signature 30mm Zee rings.

Mark's got the talent to drive that rifle right. Good shooting.

Post by **Gnzrme** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:10 am

Ben,

what happened?? I thought that you would win this contest....Anyway, congrats Mark..

Post by **Gnzrme** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:11 am

Ben, you were shooting the Ruger and not the Bruno....?

ironhiide · Post by **ironhiide** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:46 am

Shooter65, that is one sweet custom 10/22. If you dont mind, how much did you spend on the reciever or do they sell just barrelled actions?

Post by **Gnzrme** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:27 am

AMT....Arcadia Machine and Tool....Looks like they have come a long way since the Backup.....

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:39 pm

Paid 1k for rifle and a burris signature 8-32. sold the scope.

ironhiide wrote:Shooter65, that is one sweet custom 10/22. If you dont mind, how much did you spend on the reciever or do they sell just barrelled actions?

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:39 pm

Gnzrme wrote:AMT....Arcadia Machine and Tool....Looks like they have come a long way since the Backup.....

Hey guys:

Let me see if I can answer some questions about these rifles.

Let me first start by explaining the lawsuit against AMT by Ruger. AMT had begun making stainless steel copies of the Ruger standard rimfire pistol and then copies of the 10/22 (called the 25/22 and the Target Model). This was not in violation of any patent but Bill Ruger did not like this situation so he filed his lawsuit. Long story short, the suit was settled and in return for no longer manufacturing and marketing the AMT Lightning Pistol, Ruger would not object to AMT SS copies of the 10/22. That's it!

So one day I went into Harry Sanford's office and told him that although his rifles had a reputation for good accuracy, with a little work, he could produce some super accurate, highly customized rifles for the booming craze of Chevy Sportsman's Team Challenge. He was not interested in taking on the project but said if I got the machines necessary he would give the fixtures and the parts to produce the guns.

Two weeks later I opened the AMT Custom Shop out of my garage in Folsom CA. Soon moved to Diamond Springs. When Galena bought AMT from Harry's widow, we changed the name to Diamond Precision Industries. At that point we were no longer using any parts from AMT. Our SS receivers were custom made by Olympic Arms and were of very high quality.

Most of the barrels we used were specially made for us by Shilen and most of them were in 1 in 17" twist. Although we did make some 1 in 14", 15" & 16", we found that the Shilen Ultra Match barrels with 1 in 17" twist was one of the main reasons we could guarantee that each rifle could shoot sub .300" 5 shot groups at 50 yds with match ammo. Many of our rifles would consistantly shoot under .200" 5 shot groups and some were pretty consistant .100" shooters.

Our rifles were used for Chevy Sportsman's Team Challenge, Rimfire Metallic Silhouette, BR 50, and even some benchrest matches. They had victories in all types of matches mentioned, much to the distress of many bolt action folks. Actually, some of the bolt guys became our customers.

I did all the trigger jobs on all our standard triggers. All of them were between 1.5 & 2 lbs when they left the shop (none ever came back) and then Arnold Jewell developed a 6 oz adjustable trigger for us (not exclusive).

Most internal parts were hardened tool steel. We made our own guide rods and ee purchased all our bolts from Ruger (believe it or not we actually had a pretty good relationship with them).

We broke all the conventional wisdom when we developed these rifles. We took nothing as sacred and learned many things that we have since shared with anybody who asks. Things like polishing bolt faces and breech face, exchanging the trigger return spring and plunger with an internal spring that was amazing.

Sorry for the long post but if anybody has any other questions please ask and I will try to answer them.

Accuracy and reliability was what we tried to achieve. Precision Shooting
Magazine once said that we produced the most accurate 22 rimfire rifles in the world. We thought that was pretty cool especially when a few weeks before the article hit the stands we shot a five shot group that measured .007" with one of our rifles. It was witnessed by the range master and we printed a copy of the target on the back of our business cards. A great rifle, a whole lot of experience, and even more luck...but I still have the target at home.

Good shooting and if anybody wants any ideas on what they can do to improve their 10/22, just let me know.

Sam Paredes
former co-owner of AMT Custm Shop/Diamond Precision Ind.

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:41 pm

First the bolt issue. On our early rifles we used AMT mfg'd bolts and custom fit them to each action. They ended up being slightly different than the Ruger bolts. Funny thing is, in most cases Ruger bolts would work in our actions but our bolts wouldn't work in Rugers in "most" cases.

The Challenge Edition had an 18 to 22" bull bbl in a McM stock.
The CE II had a compensator
The Elite had a 16.25" bbl and a combo comp/bloop tube.
Hunter had 18 to 22" tapered bbl w/sporter stock
Fly Swatter had 16.25 bull bbl in. Hogue or injection molded stock.

Sam

We clossed down in 1998 after CA passed it's firearms manufacturers laws. They strangled our business and we had to shut down. We made close to 500 rifles and believe it or not we didn't build any for ourselves.

Would be happy to help anybody with their builds.

Sam

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:58 pm

Is there anyone interested is a match on Sunday. I can make more targets tonight.

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:15 pm

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:Is there anyone interested is a match on Sunday. I can make more targets tonight.

I will have to get a scope back on my Kidd and set up a match one day. I can't make it out Sunday I am sick.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:23 pm

264Charlie wrote:

I will have to get a scope back on my Kidd and set up a match one day. I can't make it out Sunday I am sick.

Please tell me the Premier was just for looks.......... :o

Post by **Gnzrme** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:25 pm

I once saw someone at ASR with a USO custom scope worth over 2500.00 mounted on a 10/22.... :lol:

People want good optics....

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:28 pm

buffybuster wrote:
Please tell me the Premier was just for looks.......... :o

Yep, I mounted it for Randall. That said I am going to mount and keep my March 2.5x25 when the USOs come in.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:39 pm

264Charlie wrote:

Yep, I mounted it for Randall. That said I am going to mount and keep my March 2.5x25 when the USOs come in.

You're going to mount your March scope on your 22lr? :o :o

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:19 pm

buffybuster wrote:
You're going to mount your March scope on your 22lr? :o :o

Yep, when it's not on my hunting rifle once a year.

smokeysbandit · Post by **smokeysbandit** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:20 pm

Hey guys, As a transplant from another site I've been in and out as a lurker on this board for a while. I hope to attend some official events sometime in the future, and am presently waiting for vortex to get my 6-24 PST shipped so I can start playing with my 700. Until then I'll continue to play with my AR's and wait patiently. I wanted to poke my head in on this thread as I was the guy plinking to your right Mark. I recognize the rifles! Thanks for the .223 brass, and I must say, you have some nice toys and are a damn impressive shot. Ben, I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to meet sir.
-Brandon

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:22 pm

You were shooting an AR and a camo .22 LR.

smokeysbandit wrote:Hey guys, As a transplant from another site I've been in and out as a lurker on this board for a while. I hope to attend some official events sometime in the future, and am presently waiting for vortex to get my 6-24 PST shipped so I can start playing with my 700. Until then I'll continue to play with my AR's and wait patiently. I wanted to poke my head in on this thread as I was the guy plinking to your right Mark. I recognize the rifles! Thanks for the .223 brass, and I must say, you have some nice toys and are a damn impressive shot. Ben, I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to meet sir.
-Brandon

smokeysbandit · Post by **smokeysbandit** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:46 pm

Yes sir!

Post by **pklin1297** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:28 pm

Gnzrme wrote:I once saw someone at ASR with a USO custom scope worth over 2500.00 mounted on a 10/22.... People want good optics....

When I went to pick up my first USO at their shop a year ago, I was joking with John and Arnold and asked if anyone ever put an USO on a .22lr rifle... he proceeded to lead me to the shop safes and pulled out several 10/22s and other 22lr rifles with USOs mounted on them that belonged to either him, his son, or other employees at the shop. That was a fun day.

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:39 pm

el al: After our match Mark said "get a Kidd Barrell". I did and he was correct again. REMATCH wanted !

Post by **Gnzrme** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:20 pm

Ben, you still shooting that 22....Thought that you gave up everything for F class?

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:52 am

Yes, I'm a "F" guy. 6.5x47L for HP "F" and .22 for rimfire matches. I love my 10/22 and it's now deadly with the Kidd barrel. I'm replacing my BRNO with a Bill Calfee. It's at the FFL until the 14th.

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:40 pm

Mark: Are you out of town or just chicken to allow a "re-match".
Ben

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:33 pm

I am still here.

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:Mark: Are you out of town or just chicken to allow a "re-match".
Ben

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:07 pm

Your'e still here and still a chicken shit for not giving me a rematch. Is it because you sold the AMT's and have no rifle to compete with my lowly 10/22??? Do I smell fear of loooooosing.

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:11 pm

wrong on both counts. still have the green amt(for a short time) and a new Kidd coming next week.
the only thing you smell is....

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:Your'e still here and still a chicken shit for not giving me a rematch. Is it because you sold the AMT's and have no rifle to compete with my lowly 10/22??? Do I smell fear of loooooosing.

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:57 pm

talk, talk, talk.........................

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:03 pm

UH-Oh... Looks like a rematch is going to happen

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:58 pm

Sell tickets to this one........

aimsmallmisssmall · Post by **aimsmallmisssmall** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:49 pm

you too can be Ben vs ?

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:11 am

results will be the same. he cracks under pressure!

buffybuster wrote:Sell tickets to this one........

shooter65 · Post by **shooter65** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:12 am

set it up....

aimsmallmisssmall wrote:talk, talk, talk.........................