Non-Prone shooting positions

[Dive N Shoot]

I was going to PM this to a few people, but figured others may have the same question. So please chime in, you more experienced shooters, as I would like to hear your thoughts.

I just got my sling for my gun the other day and was practicing a little. So now I have this question. Does it matter more if you have a solid platform and the crosshairs are tilted to the target? Or should I just try to find another position with a stable base and a normal crosshairs picture?

Thanks!

[Gnzrme]

having shot SCPRC this weekend I will tell you for me its all about having a solid position...I think that having reticles tilted matters more at distance...now what that distance is, I do not know....Henry could probably figure out some trigonometry equation to tell us....

If you are not stable, doesnt matter how level your reticle is, you are probably going to miss the shot...

[Swan]

How much tilt in the crosshairs? If you are not shooting prone I would assume it is at shorter-mid ranges? If we're only talking a slight tilt (couple degrees) it isn't going to be an issue. You will shoot better being comfortable, as opposed to being mechanically perfect. But if you are slightly obsessive-compulsive, like me, I try to alter the position to maintain somewhat non-tilt in the reticle.

[Swan]

Gnzrme beat me to it while I was typing

[Teletiger7]

Now that you have a sling make sure you practice the newly invented "socal barricade hanging sling prone" position, as well as the "Kerr yoga seated technique" :p

[buffybuster]

having shot SCPRC this weekend I will tell you for me its all about having a solid position...I think that having reticles tilted matters more at distance...now what that distance is, I do not know....Henry could probably figure out some trigonometry equation to tell us....

If you are not stable, doesnt matter how level your reticle is, you are probably going to miss the shot...

All depends on the degree of tilt. However at the ranges we shoot unsupported, that modest amount of reticle tilt is overshadowed by the unsupported position and the size of the target. Shooting Palma MR and LR tilt can make a major difference.

[Seth8541]

Solid platform. Without that you will hit nothing consistantly. Accuracy is all about consistancy, doing the samething each and every time. If you do not have a solid platform, that means you are unstable, which inturn equates to not being in the same exact position each time the shot goes off. You may get lucky a couple of times, but cosistant accuracy you will not have.

That being said, I know what you are doing. You got your new sling and are probably "snapping in" in your living room or back yard. You are struggling to get all the moving parts in your position dialed in and getting comfortable. You finally got into a position that is comfortable to you, but you noticed that your crosshairs are slightly tilted. Dont take this wrong, but you are wanting to get lazy and are ready to "settle" for a less than exceptable position because it is a difficult thing for you to accomplish. Nothing worth obtaining comes easily. We have all spent countless hours working on our positions to get them just right and comfortable so that when the time comes we can put rounds on target in a consistant manner. This took more than a couple of hours in our living room with a new sling. Work on you position until it is right! An unstable position with a vertical crosshair is not the correct position and a stable position with a canted crosshair is also not a correct position. The following write up contains the "BASICS or FUNDAMENTALS of MARKSMANSHIP" and should get you on the right track.

Elements of a Good Shooting Position:

a) BONE SUPPORT
1. The weight of the weapon should be suported by bone rather than muscle because muscle fatigues whereas bones do not.

2. The shooter must establish a strong foundation for his rifle by utilizing bone support. This will enable the shooter to relax as much as possible while minimizing the movement of
the weapon due to muscle tension.

b) MUSCULAR RELAXATION
1. Muscular relaxation helps the shooter hold steady and increase the accuracy of his aim. Muscular relaxation allows the shooter to use maximum bone support which creates a
minimum arc of movement and consistancy in resistance to recoil.

2. There is no way the shooter can have muscular relaxation without bone support. During the shooting process, the muscles of the body should be relaxed as much as possible.
Muscles that are tense will cause excessive movement of the rifle, thereby disturbing the aim. When proper bone support and muscular relaxation are not applied, the rifle will
never settle into an aiming point, thereby making it impossible for the shooter to apply trigger control to deliver a well-aimed shot.

3. Only through PRACTICE and achieving a natural point of aim will the shooter be able to apply proper muscular relaxation.

c) NATURAL POINT OF AIM
1. The point at which the rifle naturally rests in relation to the target when the shooter is completely relaxed.

2. Once the shooter is in position and aimed in on target, the method for checking NPA is for the shooter to close his eyes, take a couple of breaths, and relax as much as possible.
Upon opening his eyes, the scopes crosshairs should be positioned at the shooters desired aiming point.

3. Since the rifle now becomes an extension of the shooters body, it is necessary to adjust the position until the rifle rest naturally at the preferred aiming point on the target.

4. Once the natural point of aim has been determined, the shooter must hold his position in relation to the target to maintain his natural point of aim. In all shooting positions the NPA
can be checked and readjusted periodically.

FACTORS COMMON TO ALL SHOOTING POSITIONS
These factors are common to supported and unsupported shooting positions. They involve building a SOLID foundation from which the rifle can be fired. Once the shooter is satisfied with the stability of a position, it should not change except for minor variations to accomodate different typed of supports.

a) PLACEMENT OF THE NON-FIRING HAND AND ELBOW.
The exact placement of the non shooting hand and elbow will depend on the height of the support used. For a very low prone position, the non shooting hand will grasp the rear sling swivel (rear bag) in a fist or it might lie flat on the deck. The elbow rest comfortably without strain.

b) RIFLE BUTT IN THE POCKET OF THE SHOULDER.
The shooter places the rifle butt firmly into the pocket of his shoulder. The proper placement of the butt helps steady the rifle, prevents CANTING, prevents the rifle butt from slipping in the shoulder during recoil, and lessens the effect of the recoil.

c) GRIP OF THE SHOOTING HAND.
The shooting hand grips the stock firmly, but not rigidly. A firm handshake hold. The thumb extends over the small of the stock to enable the shooter to get a good grip. A proper grip permits the trigger to be pressed straight back to the rear without disturbing the aiming process.

d) REAR ELBOW.
The placement of the rear elbow gives balance to the shooters position. Correctly positioned, the elbow helps form the shoulder pocket. The exact location of the elbow varies with each position.

e) STOCK WELD.
The stock weld is the point of firm contact between the shooters cheek and the stock. The firm contact between the head and the rifle enables the head and rifle to recoil as one unit, facilitating rapid recovery between rounds. The stock weld also enables the eye to be positioned the same distance behing the eyepeice (eye relief) of the scope each time the rifle is fired. This garantees the same field of view with each sight picture, further assisting in accurate aiming.

SUPPORTED POSITION FUNDAMENTALS.

a) Avoid touching any part of the support to the barrel. This will interupt the barrels natural vibrations, and can throw the round off.

b) Cushion the rifle on the support. This will keep the weapon from sliding around and steady the position.

c) Do not allow the side of the rifle to rest against the support. The rifle will recoil away from the support and can throw the round off.

SCOPE SIGHTING TECHNIQUES

a) Scope shadow.
During aiming, the shooter must ensure that there are no shadows in his field of view. He should see a clear black circle inside the scope. If the eye is to close, to far away, or off to
one side or the other, the shadows will appear. This will throw off shots fired. If a cresent shaped shadow is present, the eye is off center in relation to the scope. The shadow will
have the effect of pushing the shot fired in the direction opposite of the shadow. The shooter must adjust his position until the shadow disappears.

b) Eye Relief.
Eye relief is defined as the distance the shooters eye must be positioned from the eyepeice lens for the scope to function properly. If proper eye relief is not maintained, recoil may
cause the shooter to recieve a blow to the head (scope bite, magnum eyebrow, etc). Eye relief must be consistant for every shot.

c) Sight Picture.
1. Sight picture is the correct placement of the crosshairs on the target for the desired impact. For a correct sight picture, the point of intersection of the crosshairs is placed in the
center of the target mass resulting in a quartered target.

2. THE SHOOTERS ATTENTION SHOULD BE ON THIS INTERSECTION OF THE CROSSHAIRS AND NOT THE TARGET. The shooter should focus on the crosshairs without straining his eyes.
Intense concentration will eventually cause the image to blur. If the shooters is having trouble focusing on or seeing the crosshairs, his scope may need to be refocused.

TRIGGER CONTROL
The ability to move the trigger straight to the rear allowing the hammer to fall without disturbing the sights.The shooter should fire the shot exactly when the rifle settles to his aiming point, but it should be a subconscious effort not to disturb the crosshairs. This way, if the shooter can move the trigger without thinking about it (subconsciously), he can
concentrate on the crosshairs and getting his round on target.

2 TYPES OF TRIGGER CONTROL

a) Uninterrupted.
This is the preferred method. Once pressure is apllied, firing of the shot is completed. The shooter is committed to an unchanging rate of pressure, no speeding up, slowing down or
stopping.

b) Interuppted.
This method of control is used in when the rifle will not settle into position, forcing the shooter to fire the shot when the target comes into his aiming point. Also called "timing you
shot". The shooter takes up initial pressure and begins normal trigger control. He then holds his position until he focuses on his crosshairs. He then moves the trigger until the shot
breaks. The shooter should not force his rifle by steering it into his aiming point. He should let the rifle move naturally toward and away from the target. If the rifle is moving
towards the target, the shooter continuously applies trigger pressure. If the rifle is moving away from the target, the shooter holds his position until the rifle starts drifting back
toward his aiming point. He then applies pressure to the trigger. If the shot breaks as the crosshairs are moving towards his aiming point, the shot will normally be inside his call.

FINGER PLACEMENT ON THE TRIGGER.
Finger placement on the trigger is correct when it allows the trigger to be pressed straight to the rear without disturbing the crosshairs. This will vary greatly from shooter to shooter and depends a great deal on the size of the shooters hand and his grip.

Errors in Trigger Control

a) Flinching. The shooters reaction to the anticipation of recoil of the exploding round.
b) Bucking. An attempt by the shooter to take up the recoil just before the rifle fires, by tensing up his shoulder muscles and moving his shoulder forward.
c. Jerking. An attempt by the shooter to make the rifle fire at a certain time by rapidly applying pressure on the trigger and disturbing the alignment of the rifle.

FOLLOW-THROUGH
The continuous application of the fundamentals of marksmanship after the shot has been fired. The shooter shouldnot shift his position, move his head, or let the muzzle of the rifle drop until a few seconds after the rifle has been fired. Follow-through ensures that there is no undo movement of the rifle until after the shot has been fired. This will also enable the shooter to observe the strive of the round in relation to his aiming point, enabling him, if necessary, to adjust his aiming point and fire a second round.

BREATH CONTROL

a) Natural Respiratory Pause.
The point where the shooter is completely relaxed in his resiratory cycle. The point where the shooter takes a breath and exhales. This is a shooters NRP. Normally last just seconds during normal breathing, but can be extended more for some shooters. This is the point at which you want to fire your shot. This pause should last as long as the shooter feel comfortable with it. It depends on the physical condition and the lung capacity of the individual. Obviously, holding your breath longer that what is comfortable will cause a lack of oxygen that can deteriorate vision and affect the shooters ability to focus on the sights.

Techniques for Natural Respiratory Pause.

a) Normal Breathing
The shooter breathes normally, and as he approaches taking the shot, he pauses, gets his point of aim, applies trigger pressure, and takes his shot. It is easier to obtain a good sight picture when breathing stops because the movement in the shooters chest, abdomen, and shoulder stops. This entire shot process takes place during the shooters Natural Resiratory Pause.

b) Decreased Breathing.
As the shooter approaches his shot, he applies his initial trigger pressure and decreases his breathing. He starts getting his aiming point as his breathing decreases to a pause. He ca achieve his proper aiming point during shallow breathing because he is not moving as much. He then pauses, obtains a good sight picture, and applies continual pressure to the trigger until the shot breaks.

c) Cardiopulmonary Pause.
As the heart beat is transmitted through the body, it causes a corresponding movement to his rifle. This is particularly apparent in an unsupported shooting position and affects shooting at long ranges. The heart beat is noticable by the vertical movement of the crosshairs in the scope. To shoot effectively, the shooter should strive to fire the rifle so the trigger breaks at the lull of the heart beat for each shot.

Like I said earlier in this post, these are the Basics or Fundamentals of Marksmanship. If anyone has anything to add, please do. This is just to serve as a guideline for the beginners who have questions on there shooting positions, trigger control, etc. These are all things that the shooter can practice in his or her home and at the range. This is the foundation upon which good shooters are made. Hope this helps some of you out.

[DirtRacer151]

Nice write up ^

Good job!!

[Seth8541]

Nice write up ^

Good job!!

Thanks. Hopefully itll help some of the the new guys. They can go over it, practice it and when they show up to the clinics theyll have the basics "somewhat"down and have more time to put rounds down range.

[264Charlie]

Solid platform. Without that you will hit nothing consistantly. Accuracy is all about consistancy, doing the samething each and every time. If you do not have a solid platform, that means you are unstable, which inturn equates to not being in the same exact position each time the shot goes off. You may get lucky a couple of times, but cosistant accuracy you will not have.

That being said, I know what you are doing. You got your new sling and are probably "snapping in" in your living room or back yard. You are struggling to get all the moving parts in your position dialed in and getting comfortable. You finally got into a position that is comfortable to you, but you noticed that your crosshairs are slightly tilted. Dont take this wrong, but you are starting to get lazy and want to "settle" for a less than exceptable position because it is a difficult thing for you to accomplish. Nothing worth obtaining comes easily. We have all spent countless hours working on our positions to get them just right and comfortable so that when the time comes we can put rounds on target in a consistant manner. This took more than a couple of hours in our living room with a new sling. Work on you position until it is right! An unstable position with a vertical crosshair is not the correct position and a stable position with a canted crosshair is also nor a correct position. The following write up contains the "BASICS or FUNDAMENTALS of MARKSMANSHIP" and should get you on the right track.

Elements of a Good Shooting Position:

a) BONE SUPPORT
1. The weight of the weapon should be suported by bone rather than muscle because muscle fatigues whereas bones do not.

2. The shooter must establish a strong foundation for his rifle by utilizing bone support. This will enable the shooter to relax as much as possible while minimizing the movement of
the weapon due to muscle tension.

b) MUSCULAR RELAXATION
1. Muscular relaxation helps the shooter hold steady and increase the accuracy of his aim. Muscular relaxation allows the shooter to use maximum bone support which creates a
minimum arc of movement and consistancy in resistance to recoil.

2. There is no way the shooter can have muscular relaxation without bone support. During the shooting process, the muscles of the body should be relaxed as much as possible.
Muscles that are tense will cause excessive movement of the rifle, thereby disturbing the aim. When proper bone support and muscular relaxation are not applied, the rifle will
never settle into an aiming point, thereby making it impossible for the shooter to apply trigger control to deliver a well-aimed shot.

3. Only through PRACTICE and achieving a natural point of aim will the shooter be able to apply proper muscular relaxation.

c) NATURAL POINT OF AIM
1. The point at which the rifle naturally rests in relation to the target when the shooter is completely relaxed.

2. Once the shooter is in position and aimed in on target, the method for checking NPA is for the shooter to close his eyes, take a couple of breaths, and relax as much as possible.
Upon opening his eyes, the scopes crosshairs should be positioned at the shooters desired aiming point.

3. Since the rifle now becomes an extension of the shooters body, it is necessary to adjust the position until the rifle rest naturally at the preferred aiming point on the target.

4. Once the natural point of aim has been determined, the shooter must hold his position in relation to the target to maintain his natural point of aim. In all shooting positions the NPA
can be checked and readjusted periodically.

FACTORS COMMON TO ALL SHOOTING POSITIONS
These factors are common to supported and unsupported shooting positions. They involve building a SOLID foundation from which the rifle can be fired. Once the shooter is satisfied with the stability of a position, it should not change except for minor variations to accomodate different typed of supports.

a) PLACEMENT OF THE NON-FIRING HAND AND ELBOW.
The exact placement of the non shooting hand and elbow will depend on the height of the support used. For a very low prone position, the non shooting hand will grasp the rear sling swivel (rear bag) in a fist or it might lie flat on the deck. The elbow rest comfortably without strain.

b) RIFLE BUTT IN THE POCKET OF THE SHOULDER.
The shooter places the rifle butt firmly into the pocket of his shoulder. The proper placement of the butt helps steady the rifle, prevents CANTING, prevents the rifle butt from slipping in the shoulder during recoil, and lessens the effect of the recoil.

c) GRIP OF THE SHOOTING HAND.
The shooting hand grips the stock firmly, but not rigidly. A firm handshake hold. The thumb extends over the small of the stock to enable the shooter to get a good grip. A proper grip permits the trigger to be pressed straight back to the rear without disturbing the aiming process.

d) REAR ELBOW.
The placement of the rear elbow gives balance to the shooters position. Correctly positioned, the elbow helps form the shoulder pocket. The exact location of the elbow varies with each position.

e) STOCK WELD.
The stock weld is the point of firm contact between the shooters cheek and the stock. The firm contact between the head and the rifle enables the head and rifle to recoil as one unit, facilitating rapid recovery between rounds. The stock weld also enables the eye to be positioned the same distance behing the eyepeice (eye relief) of the scope each time the rifle is fired. This garantees the same field of view with each sight picture, further assisting in accurate aiming.

SUPPORTED POSITION FUNDAMENTALS.

a) Avoid touching any part of the support to the barrel. This will interupt the barrels natural vibrations, and can throw the round off.

b) Cushion the rifle on the support. This will keep the weapon from sliding around and steady the position.

c) Do not allow the side of the rifle to rest against the support. The rifle will recoil away from the support and can throw the round off.

SCOPE SIGHTING TECHNIQUES

a) Scope shadow.
During aiming, the shooter must ensure that there are no shadows in his field of view. He should see a clear black circle inside the scope. If the eye is to close, to far away, or off to
one side or the other, the shadows will appear. This will throw off shots fired. If a cresent shaped shadow is present, the eye is off center in relation to the scope. The shadow will
have the effect of pushing the shot fired in the direction opposite of the shadow. The shooter must adjust his position until the shadow disappears.

b) Eye Relief.
Eye relief is defined as the distance the shooters eye must be positioned from the eyepeice lens for the scope to function properly. If proper eye relief is not maintained, recoil may
cause the shooter to recieve a blow to the head (scope bite, magnum eyebrow, etc). Eye relief must be consistant for every shot.

c) Sight Picture.
1. Sight picture is the correct placement of the crosshairs on the target for the desired impact. For a correct sight picture, the point of intersection of the crosshairs is placed in the
center of the target mass resulting in a quartered target.

2. THE SHOOTERS ATTENTION SHOULD BE ON THIS INTERSECTION OF THE CROSSHAIRS AND NOT THE TARGET. The shooter should focus on the crosshairs without straining his eyes.
Intense concentration will eventually cause the image to blur. If the shooters is having trouble focusing on or seeing the crosshairs, his scope may need to be refocused.

TRIGGER CONTROL
The ability to move the trigger straight to the rear allowing the hammer to fall without disturbing the sights.The shooter should fire the shot exactly when the rifle settles to his aiming point, but it should be a subconscious effort not to disturb the crosshairs. This way, if the shooter can move the trigger without thinking about it (subconsciously), he can
concentrate on the crosshairs and getting his round on target.

2 TYPES OF TRIGGER CONTROL

a) Uninterrupted.
This is the preferred method. Once pressure is apllied, firing of the shot is completed. The shooter is committed to an unchanging rate of pressure, no speeding up, slowing down or
stopping.

b) Interuppted.
This method of control is used in when the rifle will not settle into position, forcing the shooter to fire the shot when the target comes into his aiming point. Also called "timing you
shot". The shooter takes up initial pressure and begins normal trigger control. He then holds his position until he focuses on his crosshairs. He then moves the trigger until the shot
breaks. The shooter should not force his rifle by steering it into his aiming point. He should let the rifle move naturally toward and away from the target. If the rifle is moving
towards the target, the shooter continuously applies trigger pressure. If the rifle is moving away from the target, the shooter holds his position until the rifle starts drifting back
toward his aiming point. He then applies pressure to the trigger. If the shot breaks as the crosshairs are moving towards his aiming point, the shot will normally be inside his call.

FINGER PLACEMENT ON THE TRIGGER.
Finger placement on the trigger is correct when it allows the trigger to be pressed straight to the rear without disturbing the crosshairs. This will vary greatly from shooter to shooter and depends a great deal on the size of the shooters hand and his grip.

Errors in Trigger Control

a) Flinching. The shooters reaction to the anticipation of recoil of the exploding round.
b) Bucking. An attempt by the shooter to take up the recoil just before the rifle fires, by tensing up his shoulder muscles and moving his shoulder forward.
c. Jerking. An attempt by the shooter to make the rifle fire at a certain time by rapidly applying pressure on the trigger and disturbing the alignment of the rifle.

FOLLOW-THROUGH
The continuous application of the fundamentals of marksmanship after the shot has been fired. The shooter shouldnot shift his position, move his head, or let the muzzle of the rifle drop until a few seconds after the rifle has been fired. Follow-through ensures that there is no undo movement of the rifle until after the shot has been fired. This will also enable the shooter to observe the strive of the round in relation to his aiming point, enabling him, if necessary, to adjust his aiming point and fire a second round.

BREATH CONTROL

a) Natural Respiratory Pause.
The point where the shooter is completely relaxed in his resiratory cycle. The point where the shooter takes a breath and exhales. This is a shooters NRP. Normally last just seconds during normal breathing, but can be extended more for some shooters. This is the point at which you want to fire your shot. This pause should last as long as the shooter feel comfortable with it. It depends on the physical condition and the lung capacity of the individual. Obviously, holding your breath longer that what is comfortable will cause a lack of oxygen that can deteriorate vision and affect the shooters ability to focus on the sights.

Techniques for Natural Respiratory Pause.

a) Normal Breathing
The shooter breathes normally, and as he approaches taking the shot, he pauses, gets his point of aim, applies trigger pressure, and takes his shot. It is easier to obtain a good sight picture when breathing stops because the movement in the shooters chest, abdomen, and shoulder stops. This entire shot process takes place during the shooters Natural Resiratory Pause.

b) Decreased Breathing.
As the shooter approaches his shot, he applies his initial trigger pressure and decreases his breathing. He starts getting his aiming point as his breathing decreases to a pause. He ca achieve his proper aiming point during shallow breathing because he is not moving as much. He then pauses, obtains a good sight picture, and applies continual pressure to the trigger until the shot breaks.

c) Cardiopulmonary Pause.
As the heart beat is transmitted through the body, it causes a corresponding movement to his rifle. This is particularly apparent in an unsupported shooting position and affects shooting at long ranges. The heart beat is noticable by the vertical movement of the crosshairs in the scope. To shoot effectively, the shooter should strive to fire the rifle so the trigger breaks at the lull of the heart beat for each shot.

Like I said earlier in this post, these are the Basics or Fundamentals of Marksmanship. If anyone has anything to add, please do. This is just to serve as a guideline for the beginners who have questions on there shooting positions, trigger control, etc. These are all things that the shooter can practice in his or her home and at the range. This is the foundation upon which good shooters are made. Hope this helps some of you out.

Seth

We should sticky

[Dive N Shoot]

Thanks!

I was figuring I needed to get into a better position. Time to do some more stretching and find a solid platform, with a good sight picture too.