2012 Vortex Extreme

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:01 am

http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/vortex_extreme

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:57 am

Can anything just be fun any longer?

Why does everything have to be tactical, extreme, or a brawl nowadays?

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:21 am

johnlee wrote:Can anything just be fun any longer?

Why does everything have to be tactical, extreme, or a brawl nowadays?

People sell out for the money...

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:07 pm

Sponsorship.

Short Action Precision · Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:19 pm

Sponsorship and the fire arm industry have been around for ever this is not a new thing. The "Tactical" "Extreme" is just another marketing ploy.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:51 pm

For you plank owners..... Remember the last time a "sniper" competition was Xtreme.........

Post by **Gnzrme** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:48 pm

LOL.... I remember reading about it... I have taken classes with that person.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:13 pm

The fact of the matter is we're all playing "sniper" when we shoot our discipline. Sure, we all try not to say it but it IS the truth. Add a stalking event to any match and it damn near becomes something you would watch on military channel. Add some APCs and Grenades and we're right there.

Tactical is what it is. Yes, i know we hate calling it "tactical" just as much as it's a sin to use the word "sniper" at a match but we do shoot tactical style matches and we do practice a discipline that relates to how a real world sniper would practice.

It is what it is.. get over it guys. If you don't wanna be wanna-be Snipers then go to calguns or Brian Enos's 3-gun forum and be wannabe Door Kickers. Just because someone calls one of our rifles a "sniper" rifle or refers to our discipline as "tactical" shouldn't mean we jump all over them.

If i was a company looking to draw people to my match i would call it THE UBER TACTICAL SNIPER BRAWL and i'll bet every mother fucker within the USA that owns a "sniper" rifle would pay me $1000 to shoot it!! Don't hate on companies for using words that define the discipline as good marketing.

johnlee wrote:Can anything just be fun any longer?

Why does everything have to be tactical, extreme, or a brawl nowadays?

In no way does a "tactical" match or a "brawl" mean i will have any less fun then if it's called a precision rifle event..

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:28 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:The fact of the matter is we're all playing "sniper" when we shoot our discipline. Sure, we all try not to say it but it IS the truth. Add a stalking event to any match and it damn near becomes something you would watch on military channel. Add some APCs and Grenades and we're right there.

Tactical is what it is. Yes, i know we hate calling it "tactical" just as much as it's a sin to use the word "sniper" at a match but we do shoot tactical style matches and we do practice a discipline that relates to how a real world sniper would practice.

It is what it is.. get over it guys. If you don't wanna be wanna-be Snipers then go to calguns or Brian Enos's 3-gun forum and be wannabe Door Kickers. Just because someone calls one of our rifles a "sniper" rifle or refers to our discipline as "tactical" shouldn't mean we jump all over them.

If i was a company looking to draw people to my match i would call it THE UBER TACTICAL SNIPER BRAWL and i'll bet every mother fucker within the USA that owns a "sniper" rifle would pay me $1000 to shoot it!! Don't hate on companies for using words that define the discipline as good marketing.

In no way does a "tactical" match or a "brawl" mean i will have any less fun then if it's called a precision rifle event..

I don't have a problem with "sniper", "tactical", "ninja", "spec-ops" (it's marketing)....... It's the word "Extreme" or "Xtreme" that I can't stand......... Either the word is entirely meanlingless or it's just a gutcheck.

robert hode · Post by **robert hode** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:49 am

I would only call it "Extreme" or "Xtreme" if people were shooting back at me.

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:48 pm

robert hode wrote:I would only call it "Extreme" or "Xtreme" if people were shooting back at me.

That's called war.

robert hode · Post by **robert hode** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:15 pm

buffybuster wrote:For you plank owners..... Remember the last time a "sniper" competition was Xtreme.........

Due tell..

Post by **Gnzrme** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:54 pm

Robert.... One day ask randall or Henry about the match... the story is epic.... I was not there, so I shouldn't tell the story.....

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:14 am

robert hode wrote:
Due tell..

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=126740" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthr ... ber=802166" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's what spawned these patches:

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:41 am

That sticker is awesome.

It's so Xtreme that Extreme isn't extreme enough.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:44 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:If i was a company looking to draw people to my match i would call it THE UBER TACTICAL SNIPER BRAWL and i'll bet every mother fucker within the USA that owns a "sniper" rifle would pay me $1000 to shoot it!!

UBER TACTICAL SNIPER BRAWL is pretty good, but there aren't enough buzzwords in there. But it's still just a match, and that's not sufficiently hispeed. You need to call it an OP or a MISSION.

Short Action Precision · Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:51 am

Wow!! Great read!!

robert hode · Post by **robert hode** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:28 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:Wow!! Great read!!

+1
I was even eating popcorn and drinkin a Coke while reading it.
When will it be out in paperback. It had all the elements of a great novel.

Does anyone have the GPS location of that spot?

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:53 pm

robert hode wrote:Does anyone have the GPS location of that spot?

They could tell you......... Then they'd have to kill you.......... OPSEC, you know.....

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:18 pm

To give you an idea of how played out this hispeed talk is, take a look at "Tactical Rovers":

http://tacticalrovers.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These guys don't just drive Land Rovers. They're too xtreeem for that. They drive "Tactical Rovers".

These guys are a little different:

http://www.expeditionops.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They don't just go offroad. They do "Expedition Ops". This is another "ops" site:

http://www.landops.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These guys are into geocaching. That's using a GPS and looking for matchbox cars and GI Joe dolls inside of ammo cans buried in the ground. That's an Op.

This isn't your standard gun shop that sells guns and ammo:

http://xtremegunsandammo.com/gg-g-extre ... bipod.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Forget Guns & ammo. It's Xtreme Guns & Ammo. These guys are all about being Xtreme. Even the bipod they sell is for "extreme duty". But these rookies don't even sell the Burris Xtreme Tactical scope line:

http://www.burrisoptics.com/xtrtactical1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nor do they sell the IOR illuminated Xtreme R2D2 reticle:

http://www.valdada.com/6-24x50-35mm-sfp ... um-reticle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

robert hode · Post by **robert hode** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:36 pm

On reflecting back on my life, I feel an extreme (with an E) void on not having been an Xtreme (no E) tactical operator...sigh

Thevic · Post by **Thevic** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:41 pm

I tactially hunt ground squirrels. Kick logs over n shit.

Short Action Precision · Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:13 pm

John what you are failing to see is its all about marketing no more no less. Take the name Land Rover. I know you know the history of it. But how many soccer moms or suit guys ever take theirs off pavement let alone use 4 wheel dirve on them? Land Rover wouldn't sell nearly as many vehicles if there Company was named Urban Sport Utility Vehicle Company or what ever they basically are. All it is about is Marketing no more no less.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:21 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:John what you are failing to see is its all about marketing no more no less. Take the name Land Rover. I know you know the history of it. But how many soccer moms or suit guys ever take theirs off pavement let alone use 4 wheel dirve on them? Land Rover wouldn't sell nearly as many vehicles if there Company was named Urban Sport Utility Vehicle Company or what ever they basically are. All it is about is Marketing no more no less.

I bet my 2wd ford ranger has done more off roading than most of the landrovers and rangerovers in the greater LA area.
I said MOST, I know there are always exceptions to any general statement...

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:23 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:Wow!! Great read!!

Here's the other thread...

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=126764" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:58 pm

AR15barrels wrote:I bet my 2wd ford ranger has done more off roading than most of the landrovers and rangerovers in the greater LA area.
I said MOST, I know there are always exceptions to any general statement...

Here's your exception:

http://www.xtremelandrover.com/html/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These guys are Xtreme.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:05 pm

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =278245261" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is for those survival situations that more more extreme than extreme or even Xtreme. This one is "Mega-Xtreme".

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:07 pm

TRUGLO TG150X STRUT-STOPPER XTREME SHOTGUN CHOKE:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =283667161" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The TG150X R2D2 C3PO Xtreme choke tube. It's for when your patterns have to be Xtreme.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:10 pm

The Gen2XR Xtreme Reticle:

This R2D2XR reticle is for Xtreme shooting.

Thevic · Post by **Thevic** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:15 pm

http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... range.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tactically xtreme!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:20 pm

Beretta's gone Xtreme too:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =283931138" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is bullshit:

It comes with all of that and there's not even a shemagh included.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:35 pm

Xtreme Air. Presumably, it's for those hispeed situations when regular air just won't do.

Short Action Precision · Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:41 pm

I own all of those products!! My favorite is the Extreme Air!!

Thevic · Post by **Thevic** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:44 pm

Haha so a buddy just walked into the cigar shop wearing his USO shirt...

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:12 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:My favorite is the Extreme Air!!

Holy crap! You pay $10 for a little can of air? I'm addicted to compressed air for almost everything and now I can't live without it, but I'm way too cheap to pay that (I'm the cheap fuck who refuses to buy brass).

If you ever want to use a lot of compressed air, feel free to come by our shop and use our shop air for free.

Stoopy · Post by **Stoopy** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:39 pm

johnlee wrote:
Holy crap! You pay $10 for a little can of air? I'm addicted to compressed air for almost everything and now I can't live without it, but I'm way too cheap to pay that (I'm the cheap fuck who refuses to buy brass).

If you ever want to use a lot of compressed air, feel free to come by our shop and use our shop air for free.

That doesn't even sound extreme. Lol should of said come use our match grade high speed low drag air for elite operators.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:47 pm

Stoopy wrote:That doesn't even sound extreme. Lol should of said come use our match grade high speed low drag air for elite operators.

Ahem.

Operators from hispeed Xtreme Teams don't use. They utilize.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:52 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:John what you are failing to see is its all about marketing no more no less. Take the name Land Rover. I know you know the history of it. But how many soccer moms or suit guys ever take theirs off pavement let alone use 4 wheel dirve on them? Land Rover wouldn't sell nearly as many vehicles if there Company was named Urban Sport Utility Vehicle Company or what ever they basically are. All it is about is Marketing no more no less.

AKA: Stationwagon with big tires.......

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:01 pm

Short Action Precision wrote:I own all of those products!! My favorite is the Extreme Air!!

That's Xtreme Air!!!!!

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:04 pm

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:28 pm

I think I'm going to put an X-tream stage in the next rimfire match, just for john and the other operators. You better bring your tac gear.

Short Action Precision · Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:37 pm

johnlee wrote:....I'm way too cheap to pay that (I'm the cheap fuck who refuses to buy brass).

Dude!! Come on!! How many Rolexs do you own? Your not cheap its just your priority's are else where!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:14 pm

GforceJunkie wrote:I think I'm going to put an X-tream stage in the next rimfire match....

Oh shit. You mean we'll be shooting our .22s from helicopters at Angeles?

It's going to be so Xtreme. We can even play Wagner during the stage:

Even the timing is good on this one. The Met is currently performing Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen:

And Die Walkure, the second opera in the four-part Ring, is this Saturday:

http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/ ... &operainfo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:33 pm

johnlee wrote:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=278245261

This is for those survival situations that more more extreme than extreme or even Xtreme. This one is "Mega-Xtreme".

It even has a little capsule so you can keep it in a safe unmentionable place. Not that's "Mega-Xtreme"!

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:44 pm

GforceJunkie wrote:I think I'm going to put an X-tream stage in the next rimfire match, just for john and the other operators. You better bring your tac gear.

That's not enough. The whole match needs to an X-treme Tactical Rimfire Weapon System Match. With an extra 50 pts for the most high speed dressed operator.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:35 pm

Check out this kustum LRX (Land Rover Xtreme):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-Rov ... 2c64dc3d22" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CUSTOM 2002 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY II (360 LRX Edition) - 1 YEAR WARRANTY INCLUDED!

This amazing XUV (Extreme Utility Vehicle) is a one of a kind 2002 Land Rover Discovery II (360 LRX Edition). Aside from all the appointments that come standard in a Land Rover… the “360 LRX Edition” takes this legendary vehicle to a whole new level!

Although included in each vehicle we customize, the following features of the Land Rover 360 LRX Edition are everything but "standard":

1. 360ARMRX flexible “KEVLAR Body Armor” protective finish on the entire exterior of the vehicle…
2. A complete power-train over hall and mechanical head to toe rejuvenation…
3. 360ARMRX flexible “KEVLAR” finish on the headliner…
4. Custom front bumper, handmade, using the finest 100% US steel, protected with 360ARMRX…
5. Custom rear bumper, handmade, using the finest 100% US steel, protected with 360ARMRX…
6. Custom front grill, handmade, using the finest 100% US Steel and protected with 360ARMRX…
7. Custom front headlamp assemblies, handmade, using the finest 100% US Steel and protected with 360ARMRX…
8. Custom rear lamp assemblies, handmade, using the finest 100% US Steel and protected with 360ARMRX…
9. Custom roof rail system, handmade, using the finest 100% US Steel and protected with 360ARMRX…
10. Custom rock sliding/side steps, handmade, using the finest 100% US Steel and protected with 360ARMRX…
11. Hi output 6,000k HID headlamps
12. All around interior/exterior hi output LED lamps/bulbs…
13. Brand new 265/70/18 General GRABBER A/T Tires.
14. Upgraded sound system…
15. Aluminum diamond plate interior rear door panel, protected with 360ARMRX…

Fully loaded 4.6L V8 - leather seats, dual sunroofs, dual A/C, AM/FM stereo, tow package, roof rack, four wheel drive and more. Well maintained. Must see to appreciate. 90% Highway Mileage. Clean Title. Exterior and interior in excellent condition.

CONTACT MATTHEW: 954-647-9076

What a disaster. Not only is it a kustum poseurmobile, it has an Xtremelee ugly face only a mother could love.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:25 pm

johnlee wrote:Check out this kustum LRX (Land Rover Xtreme):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-Rov ... 2c64dc3d22" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you buy that, do they include a hat with this on it?

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:19 pm

johnlee wrote:Check out this kustum LRX (Land Rover Xtreme):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-Rov ... 2c64dc3d22" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a disaster. Not only is it a kustum poseurmobile, it has an Xtremelee ugly face only a mother could love.

WTF is 360ARMRX? Looks like Flat Black textured paint.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:22 pm

buffybuster wrote:WTF is 360ARMRX? Looks like Flat Black textured paint.

I don't know what the 360 is, but I think ARMRX is supposed be shorthand for "Armor X", which presumably is shorthand for "Armor Xtreme".

When you look at it, how is ARMRX any less lame than Gen2XR or H2CMR? I'm not ragging on the reticles, but rather the C3PO and R2D2 names of the reticles.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:32 pm

You have xtreme issues John...