CaPRC Tactical Rimfire match 2-26-12

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:11 am

The California Precision Rifle Club is proud to announce that our first Tactical Precision Rimfire match will be Sunday February 26th at the Angeles Ranges.
For details about the Angeles Ranges, see their website: http://www.angelesranges.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Signups start at 7:30am and shooting should start at 8:15am when the line goes hot.
Please arrive at the left side of the Angeles rifle range no later than 7:30am to complete your waivers, sign-in and get assigned your shooter numbers.
Your shooters number is also your position on the line so please lineup accordingly.

Match fee is $20 for Caprc members or $30 for non members.
The match fee also includes use of the range after the match is completed.
We usually try to finish by 1pm.
Bring 100 rounds of ammo minimum, suggest 150-200 rounds as you will have time to confirm your zero.
Be prepared to shoot as close as 10yds and as far as 200yds.
Be prepared to shoot from standing, kneeling, seated, prone and other improvised positions.

Future match dates as well as general rules, gudes, and suggestions can be found on the CaPRC forums: http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3512

This match is open to bolt action and semi-auto rimfire rifles in .22 lr caliber only.
No Hyper velocity ammo, match grade target ammo recommended.
Bipods, slings, shooting mats and rear bags are allowed and recommended.
Chamber flags are mandatory and are available from the club if needed. Observers are welcome!
Line helpers are always needed! If you are planning on attending to just watch and not shoot, please volunteer to be a line helper. Duties may include: Helping stapling and placing targets, keeping score, and spotting. Its a great way to get up and close to the action and see whats its all about.

Line helper RSVP's will be accepted anytime.
CaPRC Member RSVP's will be accepted after 12 noon on Monday February 20th.
Non-Member RSVP's will be accepted after 12 noon on Tuesday February 21th.
RSVP's posted before those times will be ignored.

Please RSVP by posting something very definite in this thread such as "I am in" or "I will be there" as we will ignore "maybe" or "if" RSVP's.
If you RSVP and later figure out that you can't come, please post that as well so we can keep the RSVP list current and move people up from the waiting list. Please RSVP as soon as possible so we can ensure we print out enough targets. Walk-ons will be accepted only if we have enough targets.

The following people have acceptably RSVP'd as shooters:

Range Officers/Helpers:
GforceJunkie
Short Action Precision
AR15 barrels

Shooters:
evo
johnlee
jeff361
autoessentials
stoopy
6079winston
savagE
SurfnShoot
USMCchet9296

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:50 pm

Is this match going to be on the general shooting line or one of the private ranges?

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:06 pm

General line like our typical centerfire matches. Same for the April and Nov. match. The June and Aug. matches will be at the Fort Angeles private range.

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:22 pm

Should be a good time.

Short Action Precision · Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:43 pm

Ill be there to help out and RO

evo · Post by **evo** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:19 pm

In to shoot

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:43 pm

In to shoot.

Post by **Jeff361** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:02 pm

I'm in to shoot.

Post by **autoessentials** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:08 pm

In to shoot

Stoopy · Post by **Stoopy** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:01 pm

In to shoot

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:30 pm

I was planning on shooting this match but I discovered that my scope doesn't have enough elevation to get out to 200 yards and I don't have any kind of reticle for hold overs! :o

Post by **Gnzrme** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:11 pm

Mike, I have the range bag with the tools, timers and such. Randall can print up the match report and stage discriptions for you....

6079Winston · Post by **6079Winston** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:23 pm

In to shoot.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:25 pm

What rifle?

savagE wrote:I was planning on shooting this match but I discovered that my scope doesn't have enough elevation to get out to 200 yards and I don't have any kind of reticle for hold overs! :o

6079Winston · Post by **6079Winston** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:28 pm

savagE wrote:I was planning on shooting this match but I discovered that my scope doesn't have enough elevation to get out to 200 yards and I don't have any kind of reticle for hold overs! :o

You should shoot the match anyway, the 200 yard target might be impossible to hit if the wind is anything more than a light breeze.

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:41 pm

Just shoot it. Have someone spot for you on the 200 steel and guestamate the holdover.

GforceJunkie wrote:What rifle?

A 10/22. Yeah, I guess I'll shoot. In to shoot!

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:45 pm

Is there going to be a "sight in" period before the match? As my scope is not sighted in, that would be a requirement.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:37 pm

Yes, from the line opening to the first cease fire (about 1/2 hr) will be for sighting in and confirming dope. There will be paper targets at 50 and 100 yards, and steel at 150 and 200.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:42 pm

GforceJunkie wrote:Yes, the from the line opening to the first cease fire (about 1/2 hr) will be for sighting in and confirming dope. There will be paper targets at 50 and 100 yards, and steel at 150 and 200.

Then let me check my schedule. I'm out, have a game.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:22 pm

Thanks. You still need to borrow a rifle?

Gnzrme wrote:Mike, I have the range bag with the tools, timers and such. Randall can print up the match report and stage discriptions for you....

SurfnShoot · Post by **SurfnShoot** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:59 am

In to shoot.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:20 am

Looks like I will be shooting or helping run the line or whatever you need...

usmcchet9296 · Post by **usmcchet9296** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:52 am

Count me in
John P. Hermesmeyer
U.S.M.C. 1992 to 1996 0311 2/5 5th Marines
Current location: Camp Livingroom SoCal 1st Recline Div.

Post by **Jeff361** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:15 pm

Does anyone have Randal's Wolf Match drop chart in Mils?

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:11 pm

Bring a rifle, I'll bring you a brick of Wolf.

AR15barrels wrote:Looks like I will be shooting or helping run the line or whatever you need...

Post by **AR15barrels** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04 pm

Jeff361 wrote:Does anyone have Randal's Wolf Match drop chart in Mils?

Here:

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/22dope.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:22 pm

I have the day off. Might show up. Been awhile snce I shot the .22

savagE · Post by **savagE** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:04 pm

I thought more people than this would be signing up for some reason because this is going to be one fun match. Best part is I don't have to load any ammo!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:15 pm

AR15barrels wrote:Here:

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/22dope.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for making up that sheet. I had hard dope for only 50, 100, 150, and 200 and used your chart to "fill in" the rest.

Post by **Gnzrme** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:00 pm

Mike... I will stop by your house after 8pm tomorrow night and drop the stuff off....

Post by **AR15barrels** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:29 pm

johnlee wrote:
Thanks for making up that sheet. I had hard dope for only 50, 100, 150, and 200 and used your chart to "fill in" the rest.

There's a neat trick I teach on how to fully use that dope sheet.
Print out a fresh one for EVERY DAY you go to the range.
Gather hard dope at known distances, keeping track of the temperature when you gathered the dope.
Now look at my sheet and go across at each distance you have hard dope for and CIRCLE the hard dope number.
Some form of line will get plotted.
As long as the temperature stays the same, work within the line that's plotted.
As the temperature changes, move right (hotter) or left (cooler) from the plotted line.
This system works VERY well and I have the trophies to prove it...

Post by **Jeff361** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:32 pm

Randal's dope card for .22 Wolf match is in MOA.... any chance that anyone has converted this into MILS? I have a MIL scope on my .22. Thanks

Also... what ballistic software will calculate a table for .22LR

Post by **AR15barrels** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:49 pm

Jeff361 wrote:Randal's dope card for .22 Wolf match is in MOA.... any chance that anyone has converted this into MILS? I have a MIL scope on my .22. Thanks

Did you miss this above?

AR15barrels wrote:Here:

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/22dope.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It has 2 pages now, MOA and MILS.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:49 pm

Anyone want to shoot but not have a rifle? I have 2 loaners. $15 for 3 boxes of ammo is all you would need to cover (plus match fees of course).

robert hode · Post by **robert hode** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:01 am

AR15barrels wrote:
Here:

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/22dope.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What do the numbers on the second line down at each distance represent?

Stoopy · Post by **Stoopy** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:12 am

robert hode wrote:
What do the numbers on the second line down at each distance represent?

They are hold overs for wind but I'm not sure what MPH. Probably for 10 mph, but dont quote me on that.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:04 am

robert hode wrote:
What do the numbers on the second line down at each distance represent?

Wind hold, in mils, for 10mph full value crosswind on the first MOA chart. Not sure about the second,new chart in mils. Doesnts seem to match up with mils, moa or inches.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:12 pm

Ok, I forgot that the first MOA sheet may have windage already in mils and I divided it by 3.438 again.
I'll fix it tonight and re-post...

Stoopy · Post by **Stoopy** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:13 pm

Important question, does everyone meet up for breakfast before the match? If so where and when?

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:40 pm

There is the Ranchside Cafe right on the corner of Foothill and Osbourne. They open at 7am. If your there first thing and get ordered quickly, you can make it in time but its usually rushed so we don't usually do it match day. After the match, we usually go there for lunch.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:57 am

Targets and everything are printed and in my truck.

Here is the updated dope sheet with 3 different versions:

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/22dope.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **autoessentials** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:30 pm

Big thanks to everybody for a fun match today!

Congrats to John for a 1st place and Stoopy for being 1st class with a 2nd place on his first match!

Hats off to Mike for running the match, John for the photography, and Nick and Nathan for helping out on the line.

I'll be looking forward to the next one!

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:00 pm

Congrats guys, everyone did well and shot safely, hope you all had fun. I think some of the newcomers had a slightly rude awakening about shooting under the pressure of a match, that's part of the game. It usually takes 3 or so matches to "figure out" how it runs and be prepared for it. I know some excellent marksmen finished towards the tail end of the pack, not from lack of skills, but from errors. Now you know why the unofficial club motto is "Don't fuck up." A few suggestions for the future:
1) Read the COF and understand what you need to do. Ask questions if you need to.
2) Have your mags prepped for the next stage.
3) After you shoot a stage, dial your scope back to zero or dial in the next stages dope.
4) Check your dope and confirm it is correct during your prep period
5) Know how to get back to your zero if you get lost on your knobs. If your scope does not have a zero stop, take note of how many moa (or mils) you can turn your elevation turret down from your zero. Write this number on your scope or someplace handy. If you ever get "lost" as to what revolution your knob is at, simply crank it down till it stops, then come back up the amount you have written down. Also, on some scopes you can take a sharpie and black out all the numbers on the turret below your zero giving you a referance point if you get lost.
6) Learn a shooting cadence in your head for typical stage time limits (30, 60, 90 sec, etc.) Most shooters today did not use all their available time and shot too fast. Practice this untill you learn to use all your available time to your advantage without going over.