Ok, my weakest point in shooting besides avoiding parked cars and tire hazards is positional. What would you guys consider "acceptable" accuracy on positional targets:

1-2 MOA unsupported prone
2-3 MOA sitting
3-4 MOA kneeling
4-5 MOA standing

?

Is this to generous? I know we have run stages with 3-4 MOA targets sitting and not that many people hit them...

I just watched a video of Jacob/Rifles Only shooting a sub MOA group at 100 yards with a 223 and suppressor off of a barricade kneeling but using a sling too.

Solo, Rich, James and Ryan, what are your standards?

Supported With Sling: http://youtu.be/eY-Rwz4dZjw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would say 4-5 MOA standing, kneeling, and sitting is pretty good. I'll take that any day. Prone 3-4 maybe???

Add a timer and those numbers increase dramatically.

gau17 wrote:I would say 4-5 MOA standing, kneeling, and sitting is pretty good. I'll take that any day. Prone 3-4 maybe???

Add a timer and those numbers increase dramatically.

Yeah.... there's that too....

Off props I would say 1.5 moa should be acceptible.

What we would like to be capable of and what's realistic are far apart. I would say 2 moa off a prop and 3-4 moa with traditional positions. Although every time we apply this to matches we end up with low hit percentages. If we put up a 4" target at the 220yd line and had people shoot it off bbarricades/tank traps we wouldn't see many hits. I think it's a good size to practice on though and a good goal to set for yourself.

Yeah.. that's what I am finding out. .. There is a thread the hide talking about this very topic and they have decided that using NRA scoring targets in a scaled down format at say 100-300 yards and keeping track of your scores would be a good way to judge improvement... Maybe something to try...

I didn't shot any PRS matches.. what were the size of the positional targets and how did you do on them. ... Anyone

Short Action Precision wrote:Off props I would say 1.5 moa should be acceptible.

Wow. .. I would think that would be difficult. ..

DirtRacer151 wrote:What we would like to be capable of and what's realistic are far apart. I would say 2 moa off a prop and 3-4 moa with traditional positions. Although every time we apply this to matches we end up with low hit percentages. If we put up a 4" target at the 220yd line and had people shoot it off bbarricades/tank traps we wouldn't see many hits. I think it's a good size to practice on though and a good goal to set for yourself.

It's the lack of prep time to build your position that kills it. Need more practice.

buffybuster wrote: It's the lack of prep time to build your position that kills it. Need more practice.

This. Having the right equipment for different types of situations as well as knowing how to use that equipment in a timely manner.

It would be nice to shoot a positional stage with plenty of time to see what people are capable of doing

gau17 wrote:It would be nice to shoot a positional stage with plenty of time to see what people are capable of doing

Taking my time to build my position and break my shot, I have shot multiple 20-shot 2-3moa groups at 100yds, unsupported prone. Of course I will not be able to do that on demand.......

That's nothing for a serious HP shooter, but I was pretty chuffed, especially with the pig rifles we have.

Maybe will find out tomorrow. Bring your slings and gloves boys.

Gnzrme wrote:Yeah.. that's what I am finding out. .. There is a thread the hide talking about this very topic and they have decided that using NRA scoring targets in a scaled down format at say 100-300 yards and keeping track of your scores would be a good way to judge improvement... Maybe something to try...

Just use our paper IPSC target at 100yds:

http://www.caprc.com/targets/ipsc10.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shoot a couple each practice session, date them and store them in a notebook.
Over time, you can compare your progress by looking at old ones compared to your current ones.

AR15barrels wrote: Just use our paper IPSC target at 100yds:

http://www.caprc.com/targets/ipsc10.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shoot a couple each practice session, date them and store them in a notebook.
Over time, you can compare your progress by looking at old ones compared to your current ones.

Printed 10 copies, will find out tomorrow

So... sitting 88/100, kneeling 59/100 and standing 49/100... pretty poor on the kneeling and standing....

Tuck your left elbow in that gut. Use what you got

Steven you also don't need to be sending rounds down range. Dry fire5 shots then try shooting 5

The purpose of this was to get a baseline.... I start at this level... now come the dry fire and positional practice and then I will repeat the test to see if there is improvement...

I cannot tuck that elder and still have the rifle high enough to get a site picture. ...

Looking at the vid, I guess I could come down on the scope rings...

^^^yup. What optic are you running ?

Also if you are running a SAP sling its not quite right. You want the quick adjust to rest flat on the under side of your left hand. If you are not running a SAP sling then thats why you suck!!

gau17 wrote:Maybe will find out tomorrow. Bring your slings and gloves boys.

Many thanks to Solomon for teaching me use SAP sling and working on seating and kneeling positions. Now I understand how critical natural point of aim is in positional shooting. I watched many youtube videos about position shootings bore, not as effective as one on one training.

Short Action Precision wrote:Also if you are running a SAP sling its not quite right. You want the quick adjust to rest flat on the under side of your left hand. If you are not running a SAP sling then thats why you suck!!

SAP sling is very good. I think it is because Steven ran the sling off Harris bipod. I have the same issue.

Short Action Precision wrote:Also if you are running a SAP sling its not quite right. You want the quick adjust to rest flat on the under side of your left hand. If you are not running a SAP sling then thats why you suck!!

Lol... gotta wait for the cash. ..

flyingspur wrote:
SAP sling is very good. I think it is because Steven ran the sling off Harris bipod. I have the same issue.

No Nathan is right. ..I need a different sling. .

What exactly does "unsupported prone" mean?

I assume no rear bag or bipod, but what about a sling?

Crow King wrote:What exactly does "unsupported prone" mean?

I assume no rear bag or bipod, but what about a sling?

Yes, no bipod, no bags. Just sling without the rifle touching the ground.

Crow King wrote:What exactly does "unsupported prone" mean?

This is a pretty good collection of pictures of ISSF shooters in position. It would be difficult to mimic these without a rifle designed for position shooting, but it gives an idea of how effortless an effective position can look. Also note that some are way off the reservation, especially Martynov. Not that his career has suffered in any way.
http://www.wms-photo.net/gallery/v/shooter/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Five rounds quickly on the following, you be one of the top positional shooters at most matches.

1-2 MOA unsupported prone
2-3 MOA sitting
3-4 MOA kneeling
4-5 MOA standing

264Charlie wrote:Five rounds quickly on the following, you be one of the top positional shooters at most matches.

1-2 MOA unsupported prone
2-3 MOA sitting
3-4 MOA kneeling
4-5 MOA standing

If you can do this under time pressure and on command, you would rule all positional stages.

True that Henry....