I've been a member of CalGuns for a bit and want to start working on long range shooting, so I decided to sign up over here as well! I've never really done any distance shooting, but I have a savage 10 fcp in 308 with a HS precision stock that Randall is going to do some work on with in the next few weeks and from there I hope to start learning the basics off that. I really would like to build a custom 6.5 Creedmoor but the .308 will have to due until I can save up the funds.

Moneys a little tight now due to recent purchases, but I hope to be able to head out and meet some of you guys and participate in one of the matches ( even though this rookie is little intimidated ) or sign up for one of the A clinics in the up coming future.

Until then, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

Welcome to the forum Biggins151. I have a feeling my good buddy Rich C. is going to love you by your screen name.

There is nothing wrong with shooting a 308. There are still a few people in the club who use it. Come out and shoot our monthlies. It's the best way to learn. There will be plenty of guys to help you out along the way.

Welcome. Coming out to our monthly match is the best way to learn

I was also thinking could I just swap out my savage 308 barrel for a 6.5 creedmoor and thats it? I'm have a single stage press that should I should be getting soon and am signed up for the reloading class in Long Beach this sunday. My question would is, would you guys just suggest purchasing a 6.5 barrel and then dies and to begin reloading there instead of starting with a .308? Or just keep the 308 and spend the $$ on more ammo, dies & components and begin reloading for what I have.

Welcome. Shoot out that barrel first. By the time you do, you SHOULD be at a level of proficiency where re chambering to 6.5 will actually matter. A better cartridge doesn't mean squat if you can't shoot for shit. If you somehow get convinced to shoot a 6.5 right out of the gate, do yourself a favor and get a Remington 700 or clone action and build it off that. I started with a howa 308. Sold it and picked up a 5r. Shot the shit out of it and have moved on. 6.5 is a better cartridge but like all other cartridges, it doesn't find its mark on its own. I like shooting .308 so much that I'm rebarreling my 5r in .308 again.....and I plan to shoot it at every match that Bruce is shooting.

is there anywhere to buy stripped stock 700 actions new? Or would you suggest finding a used 700 and just stripping it down to the action. I wish I could afford to spend 1k on a surgeon or another high end company but I think truing a stock 700 action is what ill end up doing.

EDIT: Found some on Brownells for 500, but at that price wouldnt it almost be better to buy a new/used sps and sell the stock & barrel (rem 700 sps new at buds gun shop for $580)?

Welcome! Get in on the Bartlein barrel group buy. By the time the barrels arrive (if it happens) you'll be proficient enough to switch out to a 6.5creedmoor.


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Shoot what you have now and save your money for your future build. Like Ben said use your 308 to practice your fundamentals.

It will end up costing around the same to properly true a 700 action as it would to buy a custom action.

I have done both.

I figure I could buy a new 700 SPS for 600 sell off the stock and barrel for a little bit of $$ and then see if Randal can true it for me at $120. So even without selling off the items from the stock gun it will come in around 720 for the trued action. Which is is almost $300 less than a custom action. Is the custom action really worth the extra $300 or is that money better spent somewhere else?

khw9mm wrote:Welcome! Get in on the Bartlein barrel group buy. By the time the barrels arrive (if it happens) you'll be proficient enough to switch out to a 6.5creedmoor.


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I wish I had the $$ to do so. As of now all my $$ is going to a new scope and more ammo. I really want a Bushnell HDMR with the G2 reticle, but its gonna be a little bit until I can save the $$ for that.

^^^this

Biggins151 wrote:I figure I could buy a new 700 SPS for 600 sell off the stock and barrel for a little bit of $$ and then see if Randal can true it for me at $120. So even without selling off the items from the stock gun it will come in around 720 for the trued action. Which is is almost $300 less than a custom action. Is the custom action really worth the extra $300 or is that money better spent somewhere else?

Is that with or without a PTG oversized bolt?

Biggins151 wrote:I figure I could buy a new 700 SPS for 600 sell off the stock and barrel for a little bit of $$ and then see if Randal can true it for me at $120. So even without selling off the items from the stock gun it will come in around 720 for the trued action. Which is is almost $300 less than a custom action. Is the custom action really worth the extra $300 or is that money better spent somewhere else?

Your money will be better spent for truing once you have a new barrel for the action. You will probably want a bottom metal as well. PTG makes great dbm's at a great price point.


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Point of Impact wrote:Welcome. Shoot out that barrel first. By the time you do, you SHOULD be at a level of proficiency where re chambering to 6.5 will actually matter. A better cartridge doesn't mean squat if you can't shoot for shit. If you somehow get convinced to shoot a 6.5 right out of the gate, do yourself a favor and get a Remington 700 or clone action and build it off that. I started with a howa 308. Sold it and picked up a 5r. Shot the shit out of it and have moved on. 6.5 is a better cartridge but like all other cartridges, it doesn't find its mark on its own. I like shooting .308 so much that I'm rebarreling my 5r in .308 again.....and I plan to shoot it at every match that Bruce is shooting.

Ben, We should work up a schedule!! so we can take turns... I can't let you have all the fun!!

Welcome!

Use what you have and shoot the shit out of it. I have a stock Rem 700 308 and shoots a little less MOA and it is going strong with about 2,200 rounds down the tube. Also, shooting local matches does require a tricked out custom rig.

Also, start looking at scopes. I would suggest getting the best scope you can afford.

Downrange67 wrote:
Ben, We should work up a schedule!! so we can take turns... I can't let you have all the fun!!

Thanks for all the help and advice. As of now all my money is going towards ammo until I get my press and a scope soon. I really want to just buy a nice scope off the bat but it is gonna take me some time to save up for the hdmr. I looked as the scope page and saw a few options, but am still a bit indecisive. I have a 4-16 ffp scope from primary arms with the acss reticle but since I purchased it I realized it's not what I'm looking for at all. I'll probably put that up for sale / trade and see what I can get.

Biggins151 wrote:I figure I could buy a new 700 SPS for 600 sell off the stock and barrel for a little bit of $$ and then see if Randal can true it for me at $120. So even without selling off the items from the stock gun it will come in around 720 for the trued action. Which is is almost $300 less than a custom action. Is the custom action really worth the extra $300 or is that money better spent somewhere else?

You are missing the part where you buy a new $200 bolt to properly fit into the trued action.
We generally don't re-use the bolt when truing an action as it would be so sloppy that there would be no notable benefit from truing.

In the grand scheme, truing accounts for very little of a gun's performance.
The BARREL is where it's at.
Get a GOOD barrel.
Have it put on so it fits the receiver and ammo perfectly and it will shoot.

Downrange67 wrote:
Ben, We should work up a schedule!! so we can take turns... I can't let you have all the fun!!

Bring it! I don't want a freebie anyway!

That being said, welcome to the club Biggins! I'm one of the guys who still shoot .308, don't feel intimidated by any of us, I just started this year, and its a learning process. These guys gave you really sound advice, shoot your 308 til you have the principles down. I've been shooting since January, and I'm still working on fundamentals.

Money is tight for me too so I get where you are coming from, but save your money, get good glass and good dies. Try to go on match days or practice days. Having someone teach you will save you a lot of money and time in ammunition. Also make sure you have good rings/base and torque it properly, or your zero will fly all over the damn place, I wasted my first some ~70 rounds because I didn't loctite my base/rings.

Welcome, get into reloading asap, which helps you save funds in the long run.

Point of Impact wrote:Welcome. Shoot out that barrel first. By the time you do, you SHOULD be at a level of proficiency where re chambering to 6.5 will actually matter. A better cartridge doesn't mean squat if you can't shoot for shit. If you somehow get convinced to shoot a 6.5 right out of the gate, do yourself a favor and get a Remington 700 or clone action and build it off that. I started with a howa 308. Sold it and picked up a 5r. Shot the shit out of it and have moved on. 6.5 is a better cartridge but like all other cartridges, it doesn't find its mark on its own. I like shooting .308 so much that I'm rebarreling my 5r in .308 again.....and I plan to shoot it at every match that Bruce is shooting.

Hi Ben,

I thought 308 has a few thousands rounds of barrel life. How many rounds did it take to burn the 5R barrel? What was the grouping at the end of its life?

I also like 308, great balance of versatility, performance and barrel life.

Kevin

khw9mm wrote:Welcome! Get in on the Bartlein barrel group buy. By the time the barrels arrive (if it happens) you'll be proficient enough to switch out to a 6.5creedmoor.


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^^^^ This

Biggins151 wrote:I figure I could buy a new 700 SPS for 600 sell off the stock and barrel for a little bit of $$ and then see if Randal can true it for me at $120. So even without selling off the items from the stock gun it will come in around 720 for the trued action. Which is is almost $300 less than a custom action. Is the custom action really worth the extra $300 or is that money better spent somewhere else?

Where can you get a custom action for $1000? I would like to buy one at some point.

flyingspur wrote:
Hi Ben,

I thought 308 has a few thousands rounds of barrel life. How many rounds did it take to burn the 5R barrel? What was the grouping at the end of its life?

I also like 308, great balance of versatility, performance and barrel life.

Kevin

Kevin, i put around 4k rough my 5r. It will shoot a1/2 moa but is very inconsistent.

flyingspur wrote:Where can you get a custom action for $1000? I would like to buy one at some point.

A Defiance Deviant is around $1400, but you can get a standard Defiance action with a separate rail and recoil lug for under $1000.

Then there are these for $750 when the group buy is on:
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AR15barrels wrote:
A Defiance Deviant is around $1400, but you can get a standard Defiance action with a separate rail and recoil lug for under $1000.

Then there are these for $750 when the group buy is on:
http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hi ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have been following the group buy, it's been a huge cluster F*** of angry people because of problems with PTG. Someone had theirs shipped to the wrong town, another guy received a rusted bolt. Delivery date was supposed to be June, Owner says he'll never do another group buy again, and will be lucky if his shop can make it through this debacle =\

Everyone is move back to 308 in 2015


I have this new rifle for sale if anyone is interested. The bolt is on the wrong side so I can't shoot it.

nevertipsy wrote:I have been following the group buy, it's been a huge cluster F*** of angry people because of problems with PTG. Someone had theirs shipped to the wrong town, another guy received a rusted bolt. Delivery date was supposed to be June, Owner says he'll never do another group buy again, and will be lucky if his shop can make it through this debacle =\

haha, group buys are SUCH a great thing...

gau17 wrote:Everyone is move back to 308 in 2015


I have this new rifle for sale if anyone is interested. The bolt is on the wrong side so I can't shoot it.

All the shit they can't move ends up on the prize table....... I'm a generous friend, I'll take it off your hands for $200.

buffybuster wrote: All the shit they can't move ends up on the prize table....... I'm a generous friend, I'll take it off your hands for $200.

$201 and i'll pay ppt booom! Lol

Yoy guys are great friends but I need the funds

Welcome biggins. Isn't that the name of Al Bundys favorite magazine?

Hey Soloman, out of curiosity what's the price for the .308?

Retails for 4100.00.

$4100? It's not even 6.5 cheatmore. Lol

Show off...but that is a beautiful gun

gau17 wrote:Everyone is move back to 308 in 2015


I have this new rifle for sale if anyone is interested. The bolt is on the wrong side so I can't shoot it.

I'll trade you a Vectronix I found this weekend courtesy of Glenn.


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