So it's raining and gusting over 20 mph. My rifle is down for the day. I am unable to close or feed the ammo I brought for the match. Worked before so I think I have crap in the action the preventing it from closing. Will spray it out and try again tomorrow. 2 people have been DQ'd for ND's. But any day on the line is a good day

Gnzrme wrote: 2 people have been DQ'd for ND's.

damn.

Sounds like a repeat of last year.

ND's? So clue me in. What does ND stand for?

Iloveguns wrote:ND's? So clue me in. What does ND stand for?

negligent discharge

Juice5610 wrote: negligent discharge

Didn't know what it stood for but now...ddaaumm!!

khw9mm wrote:
Didn't know what it stood for but now...ddaaumm!!

Yup at big matches a ND immediately earns a DQ

I would think so! Weather it was the rifle or the operator either way not safe.

ColdSteel wrote:So I take it you guys on the waiting list got into the match?

Charlie said my name was up but there was no way i was gonna make it to AZ. No scope and no ammo loaded doesn't help.

DirtRacer151 wrote:
Charlie said my name was up but there was no way i was gonna make it to AZ. No scope and no ammo loaded doesn't help.

Where is your scope?

ColdSteel wrote:I also heard "The Animal" Francis Kuehl got DQ'd for a ND during a transition on a positional stage.

Lesson learned.
Bolts open during transitions.

It could happen to you.

Ouch, thats a rookie mistake coming from someone like him. Shows that anyone can let their guard down and forget the basics.

I had a guy who was the clubs safety director for a match I was shooting at a couple years ago that put a round through the roof of an outdoor range as everyone was packing up. He had an unfired .22lr round that never cleared the chamber no matter how many times he cycled the bolt and he assumed it was clear. Unfortunately he didn't look with his eyes but thankfully he kept the muzzle in a safe direction. Tard

I think we had a total of 3 ND/AD's... One rifle malfunctioned and fired when it wasnt supposed to and the person got DQ'd....

Gnzrme wrote:I think we had a total of 3 ND/AD's... One rifle malfunctioned and fired when it wasnt supposed to and the person got DQ'd....

I have seen very few AD's. 99.9% of the time its an ND.

Can you elaborate on the malfunction?

oni wrote:Can you elaborate on the malfunction?

Bolt closed on loaded chamber.
Pull trigger.
No bang.
work safety on and then off.
No bang.
Lift bolt.
Bang.

New stock.
Front action screw too long and drags on bolt.
Upon jostling bolt, striker releases.

My rifle ADed once at one of our matches

I touched the scope during a stage and it went BANG

AR15barrels wrote:
Bolt closed on loaded chamber.
Pull trigger.
No bang.
work safety on and then off.
No bang.
Lift bolt.
Bang.

New stock.
Front action screw too long and drags on bolt.
Upon jostling bolt, striker releases.

Doh. Tough break.

DirtRacer151 wrote:My rifle ADed once at one of our matches

I touched the scope during a stage and it went BANG

Jewel triggers set to minimal engagement...

AR15barrels wrote:
Jewel triggers set to minimal engagement...

Don't feel so bad for him now. Run it on the edge like that your bound to get screwed. Frankly running a trigger that light in a comp gun that isn't benchrest is just asking for trouble and is probably negligent anyway.

khw9mm wrote:
Didn't know what it stood for but now...ddaaumm!!

Boys in NV don't play around with ND/AD/DQ... According to the shooters meeting your day was done if you

Fired a round outside of your "shoot" time
Fired a round with out complete control of your gun and on target
Fired a round past the SF command
Sent an extra round down range (even if it hit the target). This could be an easy mistake on a 25 round stage.
Shooting at the wrong target (not on your course of fire)
Muzzle sweeps

I have witnessed more than a few guy violate the last three at our matches. Remember with little prep, rain, 7 hours of shooting, cold temps, slippery everything, wet gear, gritty gear and just a lot of action in general this is not anything like a monthly match. It's a lot easier to have a issue with your brain or gear at big events. Very obvious by the caliber of shooters that DQ'd. Now we need to get a bit tougher at our matches.

oni wrote:
I have seen very few AD's. 99.9% of the time its an ND.

Can you elaborate on the malfunction?

I would agree... I don't really think too many accidents (an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause) happen. Accidents are just a nice way for people to say I was unprepared, irresponsible or not minding my actions. This works the other way too. I believe luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

TPRC had a lot for people with mental or mechanical malfunctions on the line, some caused the rifle to fire. That said, your rifle cannot fire with the bolt open until you are ready to shoot.

First off, congrats to Mr. Kerr for a 3rd place finish. It is one thing to shoot and perform well in good conditions...its a whole different level to battle through the wicked shit we dealt with this last weekend. Our squad shot both the LR stages on the windy day....demoralizing to say the least.

+1 with what Charlie said.

You have almost 70 dudes running hard in some crazy conditions...shit will happen..sooner or later. Our top shooter was one of them..he ND'ed. I saw it, and it was a righteous call from a MD's point of view. Sucked for me as a friend to see any of my buddies go home.

Shawn was not an ND...he fired before the beep and hit his target in homey position even.

I know two guys that had their triggers go down. One had a failed USO. Even my trigger finally said F' it and started to malfunction on my 100yard bay on Sunday. Luckily I carry a bottle of lighter fluid, and that seem to have fixed it to allow me to limp in to the finish line.


Steve P......thank you for the lil talk. However, I need to bust your balls for apologizing to the "other asian guy" on the Nor Cal squad. Not all of us asians look a like. Cha told me you walked up to him, thinking he was me. That shit had me LMAO for about 4 miles.

Good seeing most of you guys, see some of you in a few months.

Vu

ColdSteel wrote: Hahahaha... Classic.

I saw the video. Rough shooting conditions indeed.
Not to worry, we'll be roadtripping up north in a few... You gonna have room for us at the match?


Steven, C'mon roundeye. New glasses?

Ha... Well, he kept looking at me, so I thought that he was Vu...but he didn't fit the pictures that I saw.... He was shorter that what I saw in the pictures, but I figured, asain....it had to be him.... Well I was wrong... And he does look like you, Vu and I am not the only one that has made that mistake.... LOL

Gnzrme wrote:

Ha... Well, he kept looking at me, so I thought that he was Vu...but he didn't fit the pictures that I saw.... He was shorter that what I saw in the pictures, but I figured, asain....it had to be him.... Well I was wrong... And he does look like you, Vu and I am not the only one that has made that mistake.... LOL

Steven thought I was Jay Park the first few times we met. Hahaha.

Vu, whats up with the lighter fluid... Does it work better than break cleaner.... Can you get it in a pressurized can?

Dudes... Don't take offense... I see about 300 people every day at work between pts and visitors and that doesnt include the staff... Plus I am half blind, even with glasses.. So if I get your name wrong or think that you are someone else, I apologize in advance..... ;) ;)

roypark wrote:Steven thought I was Jay Park the first few times we met. Hahaha.

lol, all Koreans look alike.

jwpark wrote:
lol, all Koreans look alike.

all Koreans? I think all Asian people look alike!! Seriously it gets difficult remembering who is who with all you guys sometimes lol. Why do you guy like rifles so much??

DirtRacer151 wrote:
all Koreans? I think all Asian people look alike!! Seriously it gets difficult remembering who is who with all you guys sometimes lol. Why do you guy like rifles so much??

you goddamn rednecks are all the same

Swan wrote:
you goddamn rednecks are all the same

yeehaw buckaroo

Swan wrote:
you goddamn rednecks are all the same

Gnzrme wrote:Vu, whats up with the lighter fluid... Does it work better than break cleaner.... Can you get it in a pressurized can?

No worries man....Cha and I get mixed up ALLLLLLL THE FAWKING TIME! Even our own club members do it.......


As for the lighter fluid, it is what Jewell says to use to clean out their triggers. You are not suppose to oil them, or use any type of solevent on them. I always carry a bottle of Roson lighter fuel in my tool box for trigger issues.

http://www.ronsonusa.com/LighterFuel.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can probably use brake cleaner, but you want everything to go into the trigger assembly. With the high pressure of the brake clearner you might get it your action and what not. Roson lighter fuel is all I've used for years to clean my triggers.

Swan wrote:
you goddamn rednecks are all the same

Now, now Seth...it's you gosh darn rednecks are all the same.

DirtRacer151 wrote:
all Koreans? I think all Asian people look alike!! Seriously it gets difficult remembering who is who with all you guys sometimes lol. Why do you guy like rifles so much??

LOL! I actually shot my first handgun about a year ago and then stumbled onto CalGuns. After reading a bit there, I told my wife, "Damn, these rednecks are getting an arsenal together. We better get a few guns just in case they try to kick us out!" Hahaha. Rednecks are afraid of zombies. I'm afraid of rednecks.

roypark wrote:
LOL! I actually shot my first handgun about a year ago and then stumbled onto CalGuns. After reading a bit there, I told my wife, "Damn, these rednecks are getting an arsenal together. We better get a few guns just in case they try to kick us out!" Hahaha. Rednecks are afraid of zombies. I'm afraid of rednecks.

and you should be!!

It's just funny to me that Asian guys are minority until you go to the sushi bar or the shooting range. It just cracks me up. I guess its probably an overflow of the airsoft crowd

DirtRacer151 wrote:

and you should be!!

It's just funny to me that Asian guys are minority until you go to the sushi bar or the shooting range. It just cracks me up. I guess its probably an overflow of the airsoft crowd

Don't forget the golf course. Hahaha.

roypark wrote:
Don't forget the golf course. Hahaha.

so true

Steve, don't feel bad Vu's just busting your balls. I've seen that guy and thought he was Vu from a distance and when I got closer realized he wasn't. He's sort of like Bizarro Vu (superman ref)... or we can call him Vu2.

Haha.

roypark wrote:Hahaha. Rednecks are afraid of zombies. I'm afraid of rednecks.

LMFAO

When the LA Riots broke out and you saw all the Korean community gathering together, I said.. Damm, now I know who bought up all the HK's and AR's.... They were better armed than the SWAT guys....

Vu, I had mud and grit inside my rifle, so I needed the High Pressure.... Of course, it also helps to have ammo that is correctly sized as well

jwpark wrote:

DAMM

MichaelV wrote:Steve, don't feel bad Vu's just busting your balls. I've seen that guy and thought he was Vu from a distance and when I got closer realized he wasn't. He's sort of like Bizarro Vu (superman ref)... or we can call him Vu2.

Haha.

Michael, thanks for hooking up my "slow" friend Shawn up. Now I don't have to watch him drop those washers and shit when he takes his rifle apart.

jwpark wrote:

Was that John wearing a Rolex and busting caps in those looters?

DirtRacer151 wrote:

and you should be!!

It's just funny to me that Asian guys are minority until you go to the sushi bar or the shooting range. It just cracks me up. I guess its probably an overflow of the airsoft crowd

Spoken like a true Flatbiller........

Iloveguns wrote:
Was that John wearing a Rolex and busting caps in those looters?

HAHa...no shit lol

roypark wrote:
LOL! I actually shot my first handgun about a year ago and then stumbled onto CalGuns. After reading a bit there, I told my wife, "Damn, these rednecks are getting an arsenal together. We better get a few guns just in case they try to kick us out!" Hahaha. Rednecks are afraid of zombies. I'm afraid of rednecks.

If you become a redneck Asian, then you have nothing to fear..... except for zombie rednecks....... which aren't any worse than your run of the mill flatbiller......

Did somebody say redneck Asian?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_3xxQXgFs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iloveguns wrote:
Was that John wearing a Rolex and busting caps in those looters?

GforceJunkie wrote:Did somebody say redneck Asian?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_3xxQXgFs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BTDT..........