So whats the People in the Know's thoughts on this program...I see when you sign up, you have to pay upfront for all the back lessons. When does it start again, so that I do not have to pay for back lessons....I see nowhere to ask questions about this...

Steve- I used to be a member of the online training back when it was only a 10 per month fee. Back then it was well worth the money to watch the videos, Frank and Jacob do a good job of explaining his fundamentals of shooting... plus there are lots of lessons and a private forum where you can ask them questions directly.

It seems now that the price went up so I can't speak for the value, though I have been thinking about rejoining.

$200 to start and $10 a month after that.

There is enough knowledge here in this club that there is no reason why you should have to go somewhere else for these classes. I will post a list of classes that may be beneficial to us. If anyonehas anything else to offer, feel free to post them. The majority of these classes I already have. Ill post a list here in a bit.

that would be nice Seth...Thank you...

Seth makes a good point, there's nothing in there that you won't learn from hanging out with good shooters. The appeal is I can watch them while at work and take notes and absorb info so when I go to the range I can try out their suggestions.

It is certainly no substitute for trigger time.

And really... what the hell does Seth know?



; )

MichaelV wrote:Seth makes a good point, there's nothing in there that you won't learn from hanging out with good shooters. The appeal is I can watch them while at work and take notes and absorb info so when I go to the range I can try out their suggestions.

It is certainly no substitute for trigger time.

There is no sub for trigger time. But you need the info so as to be practicing the right way. There is also nothing keeping us from doing videos as well. Not at all trying to down play the guys at Rifles Only, wealth of knowledge, but like I said before, there is also a group of guys here that have a wealth of knowldege, especially when you put them all together. Different methods, experiences, calibers, occupations, etc etc.

MichaelV wrote:And really... what the hell does Seth know?



; )

haha.
Not much bro, but I know what I know

Seth8541 wrote:
There is no sub for trigger time. But you need the info so as to be practicing the right way. There is also nothing keeping us from doing videos as well. Not at all trying to down play the guys at Rifles Only, wealth of knowledge, but like I said before, there is also a group of guys here that have a wealth of knowldege, especially when you put them all together. Different methods, experiences, calibers, occupations, etc etc.

+1 spend a few hours hanging with some of the main players around here and you're bound to learn things you never knew. I advise everyone who is serious about learning to attend a few big matches or out of state monthlys. Get in on the carpool with everyone. You will learn tons on the ride there and be able to apply it all at the match when you get there. Im interested to see the SH online training but I sure as hell ain't paying that much for it.

Heres a list of possible classes that I can come up with off the top of my head. Some may be relevant to what we do, and some may just be cool things to know how to do.

Care and Cleaning of Your Rifle and Scope
Supported Shooting Positions
Unsupported Shooting Positions
Unconventional Shooting Positions
Trigger Control
Scope Sighting Techniques
Breath Control
Bone Support
Muscular Relaxation
Natural Point of Aim
Bolt Operation
Scope Adjustment Mils vs MOA
Effects of Wind
Effects of Altitude
Effects of Temperature
Effects of Humidity
Effects of Barometric Pressure
Effects of Precipitation
Data Book
Ballistics (to include)
Internal, External, and Terminal
Shooter/Observer Techniques and Dialogue
Techniques for Engaging Moving Targets (Holds and Leads)
Loading of the Bipods
Using a Rear Bag
Reading the Vapor
Reading Mirage
Range Estimation
Range Cards
Reloading
Techniques for High Angle Shooting

Most of these classes can be split into smaller subsections or combined. This is just a few that I could come up with, with very little thinking on my part. This before anything would obviously need to be cleared through the Club Leaders and I am by no means trying to rain on someone elses parade. All suggestions are more that welcome.

Sign me up, Seth ;)

I have a membership and it is not worth it at all... Really nothing you can't learn from Randall, Ryan, Grandpa, Seth...

Seth8541 wrote:Heres a list of possible classes that I can come up with off the top of my head. Some may be relevant to what we do, and some may just be cool things to know how to do.

Care and Cleaning of Your Rifle and Scope
Supported Shooting Positions
Unsupported Shooting Positions
Unconventional Shooting Positions
Trigger Control
Scope Sighting Techniques
Breath Control
Bone Support
Muscular Relaxation
Natural Point of Aim
Bolt Operation
Scope Adjustment Mils vs MOA
Effects of Wind
Effects of Altitude
Effects of Temperature
Effects of Humidity
Effects of Barometric Pressure
Effects of Precipitation
Data Book
Ballistics (to include)
Internal, External, and Terminal
Shooter/Observer Techniques and Dialogue
Techniques for Engaging Moving Targets (Holds and Leads)
Loading of the Bipods
Using a Rear Bag
Reading the Vapor
Reading Mirage
Range Estimation
Range Cards
Reloading
Techniques for High Angle Shooting

Most of these classes can be split into smaller subsections or combined. This is just a few that I could come up with, with very little thinking on my part. This before anything would obviously need to be cleared through the Club Leaders and I am by no means trying to rain on someone elses parade. All suggestions are more that welcome.

I'm, in. i want.

DirtRacer151 wrote:Sign me up, Seth ;)

+1

para38super wrote: I'm, in. i want.

Well, we'll se what we can do.

Sign me up too!

Seth8541 wrote:Heres a list of possible classes that I can come up with off the top of my head. Some may be relevant to what we do, and some may just be cool things to know how to do.

Care and Cleaning of Your Rifle and Scope
Supported Shooting Positions
Unsupported Shooting Positions
Unconventional Shooting Positions
Trigger Control
Scope Sighting Techniques
Breath Control
Bone Support
Muscular Relaxation
Natural Point of Aim
Bolt Operation
Scope Adjustment Mils vs MOA
Effects of Wind
Effects of Altitude
Effects of Temperature
Effects of Humidity
Effects of Barometric Pressure
Effects of Precipitation
Data Book
Ballistics (to include)
Internal, External, and Terminal
Shooter/Observer Techniques and Dialogue
Techniques for Engaging Moving Targets (Holds and Leads)
Loading of the Bipods
Using a Rear Bag
Reading the Vapor
Reading Mirage
Range Estimation
Range Cards
Reloading
Techniques for High Angle Shooting

Most of these classes can be split into smaller subsections or combined. This is just a few that I could come up with, with very little thinking on my part. This before anything would obviously need to be cleared through the Club Leaders and I am by no means trying to rain on someone elses parade. All suggestions are more that welcome.

Is that all? Nothing else?

buffybuster wrote:
Is that all? Nothing else?

LOTS MORE!!! Could even throw in some Techniques of Camoflage, Stalking, Shooting From Concealed Positions, Camoflaging Gear/Rifles, Ghillie Suit Construction, etc etc. Some of it may not be useful to civilians, but who wouldnt want to know how to do it?

Seth8541 wrote:
LOTS MORE!!! Could even throw in some Techniques of Camoflage, Stalking, Shooting From Concealed Positions, Camoflaging Gear/Rifles, Ghillie Suit Construction, etc etc. Some of it may not be useful to civilians, but who wouldnt want to know how to do it?

I want to know how to properly spray krylon fusion on my sniper rifle.
Also, what's the most badass glass for snipering elephants at 2000yds?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=305753" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

jeez, I guess I brought the match to the can of gas....Seth, I would be interested in attending anykind of training that you/the club could put together....

AR15barrels wrote:
I want to know how to properly spray krylon fusion on my sniper rifle.
Also, what's the most badass glass for snipering elephants at 2000yds?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=305753" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

lmao
Thats a freakin crack up. Wonder if he ever asked any more questions over there?

Seth8541 wrote:
LOTS MORE!!! Could even throw in some Techniques of Camoflage, Stalking, Shooting From Concealed Positions, Camoflaging Gear/Rifles, Ghillie Suit Construction, etc etc. Some of it may not be useful to civilians, but who wouldnt want to know how to do it?

I'm not gonna lie... i think it would be fun to learn

...and before anyone jumps to conclusions. No i don't need to learn it for the zombie invasion. I just think it would be a lot of fun to try and learn from a man that knows what he's doing.

DirtRacer151 wrote:
I'm not gonna lie... i think it would be fun to learn

...and before anyone jumps to conclusions. No i don't need to learn it for the zombie invasion. I just think it would be a lot of fun to try and learn from a man that knows what he's doing.

James, your also not the only one who has told me they would like to do it :o .

DirtRacer151 wrote:
I'm not gonna lie... i think it would be fun to learn

...and before anyone jumps to conclusions. No i don't need to learn it for the zombie invasion. I just think it would be a lot of fun to try and learn from a man that knows what he's doing.

It would be WAY cool to learn fieldcraft (stalking, survival, hides) from someone of Seth's caliber, it's not often we would get to learn from a guy like him.

Count me in.

MichaelV wrote:
It would be WAY cool to learn from someone of Seth's caliber, it's not often we would get to learn from a guy like him.

Count me in.

+1 but I was refering to the stalking, camo, hunting techniques. I would love to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship from someone like him just to compare to the techniques I employ myself but everytime I've watched military channel and seen the stalking segments, I've always thought it would be awesome to know how to do that kinda stuff. Im just intrigued by anything to do with our military though. A tour in iraq/afgan would thrill me. Id also love to take a 6mo tour on a carrier or sub just for the adventure of it. Even if I was only the dish boy. There's just something about being surrounded by all that coolness. Im all about the experience.

I swear I should have enlisted

MichaelV wrote:
It would be WAY cool to learn from someone of Seth's caliber, it's not often we would get to learn from a guy like him.

Count me in.

+2....Where do I sign up? and when do I get to learn how to construct a ghillie suit to wear it at Angeles!??

DirtRacer151 wrote:
I swear I should have enlisted

I often feel the same way. Missed that boat.

This is the same folks who run rifles only? I am doing their 6-day precision Rifle 1&2 combo in March....

http://www.riflesonly.com/course-detail ... 6_Day.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DirtRacer151 wrote:
I swear I should have enlisted (Kenny Loggins "Danger Zone" playing in the background..... AKA: TopGun Soundtrack)

James,

It's still not too late.......

buffybuster wrote:[/b]

James,

It's still not too late.......

HA!! I wish man...

khw9mm wrote:
+2....Where do I sign up? and when do I get to learn how to construct a ghillie suit to wear it at Angeles!??

Change of plans....no ghillie suit making or stalking. It takes to much time away from other stuff we should be practicing..........like the "side prone". jk

Damm...I really wanted to be able to sneak up on that Elephant...Screw shooting him at 2000 yards.....

Gnzrme wrote:Damm...I really wanted to be able to sneak up on that Elephant...Screw shooting him at 2000 yards.....

Alright alright.....This is what we'll do.

We'll build our ghillie suit, paint our rifle, stalk up to our target within 15 yds and shoot the 1/2" son of a bitch from the "side prone"!!!

That should keep everyone happy.

Seth8541 wrote:
Alright alright.....This is what we'll do.

We'll build our ghillie suit, paint our rifle, stalk up to our target within 15 yds and shoot the 1/2" son of a bitch from the "side prone"!!!

That should keep everyone happy.

Where do i sign up?

Hope there's a PIG pond. Ha!

Seminole4 wrote:Hope there's a PIG pond. Ha!

Seth8541 wrote:
Alright alright.....This is what we'll do.

We'll build our ghillie suit, paint our rifle, stalk up to our target within 15 yds and shoot the 1/2" son of a bitch from the "side prone"!!!

That should keep everyone happy.

YES DRILL SARGENT!!!!!

You guys are funny and I mean that in a good way.

You have an 8541 Instructor in the club. I would pick his brain day in and day out versus attempting to learn something via the net.

When's the class?

~~arise o dead thread arise!!!~~

Yeah when is this happenening cause I want in!

I,m in for this it sounds great this man is a wealth of knowledge

new guys in too, and by new guy I mean me.

:o

I'm in as well.

I love how nobody has responded to the recent posts lol.

It was last talked about in January and has yet to happen.....at this point its not going to fellas.

brian01tj wrote:I love how nobody has responded to the recent posts lol.
It was last talked about in January and has yet to happen.....at this point its not going to fellas.

If you can find seth a job that frees up his weekends, he still might be up for teaching some of these classes.

AR15barrels wrote:
If you can find seth a job that frees up his weekends, he still might be up for teaching some of these classes.

Oh I fully understand what its like to be busy on most weekends