SCPRC preliminary results

[AR15barrels]

Since i'm sure that Mark just wants to go home, shower and sleep before he thinks about writing up and posting the results,
I figured I would post up how the CAPRC shooters finished...

1st Ryan Kerr
5th Brad Bolves
6th Randall Rausch
11th Joe Hernandez
13th Brandon McGaffey
15th Seth Stanton
17th Joe Villlegas
19th Keith Nelson
20th Michael Victor
23rd Sonny Mediana
24th TC
28th Steven P. Rogers
31st Mike Yarish

Fastest 300 Joe Hernandez
Top Team Ryan & Randall

[shooter65]

Ryan....Bad MOFO.

[Swan]

nice shootin

[khw9mm]

Nice! Congrats Ryan! Hope y'all had a good time! Any pics??

[Teletiger7]

We also found out how much Maker's Mark it takes to make Randall puke himself to sleep and then make his coldbore shot the next day.

[buffybuster]

Great shooting gentlemen. Hat's off to you.

[Gnzrme]

28th...I did better than I thought I did...I definately need to work on my positions....Interestingly on the standing off hand, I did pretty good on that stage but missed my 2 side prone shots and cold/hot bore on the 2nd day....Also need to pick up a pack that I can sit on...overall, I am glad I went and had a fun time...

[Gnzrme]

Oh, Randall, you forgot to post that you and Ryan won Top Civillian team as well.... Congrats and a big congrats to Ryan as Top Shooter....!!

[oni]

Oh, Randall, you forgot to post that you and Ryan won Top Civillian team as well.... Congrats and a big congrats to Ryan as Top Shooter....!!

Not only did they win Top Civillian team they also won Top team with a combined score of over 2k. This got them the cash pool of 210 bucks.

Next closest team was around 1600 and third was 1300ish.

[Teletiger7]

I got coin # 17. Also, I remember Joe Hernandez got Fastest 300 clocking in at just a little over 11 seconds for 5 dots at 300. He was blazing fast on that stage. Definitely a great experience. Was awesome to see the good turn out by CAPRC shooters and to shoot with so many good shooters. And thanks to the non-shooters who helped out as well.

[AR15barrels]

Not only did they win Top Civillian team they also won Top team with a combined score of over 2k.
Next closest team was around 1600 and third was 1300ish.

Those were not the next closest teams.
Those were the top law enforcement teams and the top military teams.
There may have been other civilian teams between 2000 and 1600 points.

[rksimple]

That was a blast. Learned a lot and broke in the new rifle. Conner and Kurtis are Satan's spawn and 7 and 7 killed Randall. But he was a champ the next day. A pro for sure.

[Chevroletkid88]

If my guess is right with connor and kurtis and beer are involved they would probably freak satan the fuck out

[Spaniard]

Hey Men,
Thanks Randall for posting and your correct, I am beat and not much left in the tank. This week I will post a full AAR on the 5th Annual SCPRC, what a great time. Honestly, this was the best SCPRC and the most rewarding to everyone invloved based upon personal observations and feedback from staff and competitors. Everything really ran smoothly. You know, the funniest thing when we did a final patrol of the range the kid and I were at the 500 yard line and looking downrange and it was as still as could be. The WIND GOD said, ok time for me to rest since he was there all weekend and in force. Mostly 10-20 MPH with many times at 25 & 30 MPH Full Value. Those are tough circumstances to shoot in and at West End Gun Club, the wind goes every direction all at once. We had the 300 & 500 Meter Flags pointing opposite directions many times. Wheww!

True, all matches have wind, sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less, however it just never stopped and the shooters fought back hard all weekend. Neither side gave up and kept coming back for more.

I was impressed by what I saw, many people got out of there comfort zones, tried new things and stayed with the tried and true. At the end of the weekend as I have said before, points is what wins the match.

Here is the run down and I will break it down in more detail later.

1) OVERALL 5th ANNUAL 2010 SCPRC WINNER: Mr. Ryan Kerr with 1,139 Points. Good Job Ryan you are a back to back Champion for 2010. Maybe one day you can go for the Triple Crown: TPRC,TBRC & SCPRC. You never know. Ryan also won Best Long Shot and along with Randall Overall Top Civilian Team.

2) 2nd Place: Mr. Gordon Campfield. Gordon stole the cookie jar this weekend, I lost count with how many trophies he took home. Regardless he stayed on it with a total score of 981 Points.

3) 3rd Place: USMC Sgt. Dan Gilland, great job Dan and you also won Top Military Sniper with a total score of 941 Points. Tony P. said he "helped" you all he could....

4) Wayne Doedan: Great Job Wayne and your partner Gordon with a combined score got you top LE TEAM.

5) Brad "Snappy" Bolves with a score of 916. Who they calling Ol' Man NOW!!! Good Job Brad, you made the top 5. You were in serious company to do that, not an easy task.

6) Mr. Randal Rausch, your still climbing Randall, good job and Top Overall Team with Ryan.

7) USMC Nick Bonofiglio. Good Job NICK!

8) Eric Seiter, good job Eric and hope to see you back next year.

9) USMC Dustin Payne, boy the USMC represented quite well.

10) Jeff Gross, great job Jeff, you made the SILVER CIRCLE on the first try!!!

I will post the remaining places with more detail, I wanted to get the top 10 before taking to rest. All in all GOOD JOB MEN and GREAT JOB TO THE SCPRC STAFF. THEY REALLY RAN A TIGHT SHIP AND KEPT THINGS MOVING!

I think these pictures sum it up for this weekend though. This was "Grandpa" making his last shot of the day with the "Hot Bore" on day 2 with a 90* roll shooting at a 4" square target at 155 yards.

What's left to say, I feel the same way Brad, you just show it so well.

Regards, Mark

[rksimple]

And what the hell are you?? A Mormon missionary???

Maybe in a former life. Now I'm just a guy that knows better than to fall asleep around the romper room when they get drunk.

[Mesa Defense]

Congratulations to each of you. Well Done.

Thanks for the hospitality. Good times.

Dang windy....

Since i'm sure that Mark just wants to go home, shower and sleep before he thinks about writing up and posting the results, I figured I would post up the ones I remember.
Please post up your results and I will add them to the list...

1st Ryan Kerr
5th Brad Bolves
6th Randall Rausch
17th Joe Villlegas
19th Keith Nelson
28th Steven P. Rogers

Fastest 300 Joe Hernandez
Top Team Ryan & Randall

[Connor P Price]

Maybe in a former life. Now I'm just a guy that knows better than to fall asleep around the rompa room when they get drunk.

You were nowhere near asleep, lol.

[oni]

Those were not the next closest teams.
Those were the top law enforcement teams and the top military teams.
There may have been other civilian teams between 2000 and 1600 points.

Technically you are correct.

But because the weren't the top of their respective catagory (Civ, LE, MIL) they were not in the running for Top Overall Team. Therefore the next closest teams for Top Overall Team were at 1600ish and 1300ish.

[Connor P Price]

I could have sworn that I heard him call "rape" once though.

He challenged me to it.

[CamW]

Congrats Ryan!! Good shooting !

[Joe308]

It was an awesome match!

I got 11th place & fastest 300. (note to self, don't shoot other poeple's targets)

Joe

[maddesign]

Got the Michael Jordan coin #23, thanks to Joe's dope, I finished by nailing my hot bore sideprone shot, great way to end the weekend!!

[johnlee]

Congratulations to the high finishers and special congratulations to Ryan for the Win.

[Seth8541]

Please post up your results and I will add them to the list...

Well, I came in at a whopping 15th. Cant wait for some redemption at the next match. Had a great time and good job to Ryan, Brad and Randall.

[MichaelV]

Well, I came in at a whopping 15th. Cant wait for some redemption at the next match. Had a great time and good job to Ryan, Brad and Randall.

Randall, I came in 20th but please don't tell anyone.

[StraightShooter]

I freaking sucked ass and ended up at 13th. I seriously need to go back to the fundamentals.

[MichaelV]

btw I had a great time at the match, Mark puts on a very straight forward shoot. At the shoot there were tons of pros and they brought a great attitude with them, really good shooters.

One thing I have to ask (and this is no slight to Mark, everyone is doing it) but what is up with all the side-prone shooting in competitions these days? That is a position that is completely tactically undesirable and mostly ineffective because of the unneeded complexity. A year ago it was unheard of and now it seems to be finding it's way into good matches like a virus. While I enjoy the high winds and small targets, it seems laying you rifle on it's side to engage targets seems needlessly difficult. Next year will it be the inverted rifle shot? ; )

My favorite as always was the 500 meter shot, I really enjoy seeing what our bullets can do at distance.

[desertrose]

GOOD JOB RAYN &RANDALL ALSO OLD MAN!! LOOKED LIKE LOADS OF FUN NEXT TIME.
SEE YA SOON JOHN
CALL ME MARK THANKS

[bcrich]

Thank You Mark Archuleta for putting this together, everybody had fun including the RO's and had a blast......now let's all bow down to KING KERR! congratz bro it was my home-made burrito that gave you the edge ha! ha! nice job by all shooters.

[dreka]

Great job guys! Looks like you boys had a lot of fun.

Remind me to not miss the next one.

[Mesa Defense]

Finished 24th.

Cool match, great to learn from.... totally different from USPSA or 3 gun.....you don't know what you don't know.

Thanks to everyone for the tips and hospitality. Appreciate it.

MikeinLa
MikeV
rksimple
dirtracer151
joe308
ar15barrels

Also, thanks to bcrich for the grub, I owe you a nice dinner.



Good people, good club.

[Gnzrme]

Mark...

excellent match..And I love those photo's of Brad celebrating his hotbore shot....

[Gnzrme]

btw I had a great time at the match, Mark puts on a very straight forward shoot. At the shoot there were tons of pros and they brought a great attitude with them, really good shooters.

One thing I have to ask (and this is no slight to Mark, everyone is doing it) but what is up with all the side-prone shooting in competitions these days? That is a position that is completely tactically undesirable and mostly ineffective because of the unneeded complexity. A year ago it was unheard of and now it seems to be finding it's way into good matches like a virus. While I enjoy the high winds and small targets, it seems laying you rifle on it's side to engage targets seems needlessly difficult. Next year will it be the inverted rifle shot? ; )

My favorite as always was the 500 meter shot, I really enjoy seeing what our bullets can do at distance.

Michael,

Side prone comes from the LE/MIL guys....You cannot pick your fight or the conditions that it will be in, so you train for every possibility...There are documented shootings from the field where officers/solider's sought cover/concealment behind low standing objects/vehicle tires/curbs...possibilities are endless....that said, they do it in matches just to fuck with us.....and to mix it up....Like Mark told me the 1st sideprone stage in Bay 6 was to be a long shot, but Tony P. said its my stage, I will run it the way I want and changed it to 25 meters....And who had dope for that? But of course, the Most Interesting Shooter in the World; King Kerr....

[oni]

Michael,

Side prone comes from the LE/MIL guys....You cannot pick your fight or the conditions that it will be in, so you train for every possibility...There are documented shootings from the field where officers/solider's sought cover/concealment behind low standing objects/vehicle tires/curbs...possibilities are endless....that said, they do it in matches just to fuck with us.....and to mix it up....Like Mark told me the 1st sideprone stage in Bay 6 was to be a long shot, but Tony P. said its my stage, I will run it the way I want and changed it to 25 meters....And who had dope for that? But of course, the Most Interesting Shooter in the World; King Kerr....

The funny thing is I heard a few Mil Snipers there saying they have never shot side prone in the X number of years they have been on duty.

[Gnzrme]

Talk to Scotty Reitz, Max Joseph and other people that train LEO's/MIL people....It is taught and like other skills used by snipers (like long distance shooting), its something that comes in handy when you need it....

[DirtRacer151]

Talk to Scotty Reitz, Max Joseph and other people that train LEO's/MIL people....It is taught and like other skills used by snipers (like long distance shooting), its something that comes in handy when you need it....

*COUGH* Bullshit

Everyone i've ever talked to that "in the know" says its a load of BS. Its fun to do every so often just to mix it up but i sure as shit hope it doesn't become the norm.

[AR15barrels]

i sure as shit hope it doesn't become the norm.

Noted.
I'll be sure to incorporate it in matches more often.

[DirtRacer151]

Noted.
I'll be sure to incorporate it in matches more often.

I'll be sure to plan more Barstow trips instead ;)

I'm not saying it doesn't have its place ONCE IN A WHILE

[Connor P Price]

The number of times that sideprone would become necessary in field applications has to be incredibly minimal. That being said, the accuracy required to win a match is also much more than would be needed to eliminate targets in the real world. Its all about knowing the angles, and knowing your gun which can be difficult when given such an unfamiliar situation as 25 yard side prone. I still hate side prone, but if I was the one designing the match, I'd probably throw it in there anyway.

[DirtRacer151]

The number of times that sideprone would become necessary in field applications has to be incredibly minimal. That being said, the accuracy required to win a match is also much more than would be needed to eliminate targets in the real world. Its all about knowing the angles, and knowing your gun which can be difficult when given such an unfamiliar situation as 25 yard side prone. I still hate side prone, but if I was the one designing the match, I'd probably throw it in there anyway.

Exactly the reason it should be in a match ONCE IN A WHILE. Its fun to have every so often. I happen to be quite good at it. My issue is i see this going in even worse directions. Whats next? Upside down shots?

Its not practical...horizontal ports? If i were a "real" sniper i'd just skull drag my happy little ass over to the vertical port 15ft away from me or i'd toss a grenade over the wall but that's just me....

[rksimple]

Exactly the reason it should be in a match ONCE IN A WHILE. Its fun to have every so often. I happen to be quite good at it. My issue is i see this going in even worse directions. Whats next? Upside down shots?

Its not practical...horizontal ports? If i were a "real" sniper i'd just skull drag my happy little ass over to the vertical port 15ft away from me or i'd toss a grenade over the wall but that's just me....

I think it was Tony that said something about horizontal ports on roof tops in the sandbox. Like drainage ports or something. While I don't think it needs to become a staple in matches, having it there keeps you sharp. Using the slippery slope argument of upside down being next doesn't really make sense to me as any time the rifle could be upside down, it could be right side up. I agree that upside down shooting would be absolutely pointless.

[DirtRacer151]

I think it was Tony that said something about horizontal ports on roof tops in the sandbox. Like drainage ports or something. While I don't think it needs to become a staple in matches, having it there keeps you sharp. Using the slippery slope argument of upside down being next doesn't really make sense to me as any time the rifle could be upside down, it could be right side up. I agree that upside down shooting would be absolutely pointless.

Shut it, Ryan! You know your opinion never matters anyway

The upside down comment was just an example. It seems like people are making up stages just to make stuff up and I hope we don't get away from the basics. I keep saying that im not completely opposed to side prone. I just don't want to see it every match... I don't want to see it more then 2-3 times a year actually. Enough to keep us on our toes and break up the grind is enough for me. At least side prone makes more sense from a practical stand point then .0001" 5-dot drills and $5000 laser beams wearing camo stocks ;)

[MichaelV]

I think James makes a really good point. 75 percent of the guys shooting these matches are still working on the fundamentals. When any match has a stage where only 20 percent of the shooters are getting hits, the stage becomes frustrating and pointless to shoot.

[AR15barrels]

It seems like people are making up stages just to make stuff up and I hope we don't get away from the basics. I keep saying that im not completely opposed to side prone. I just don't want to see it every match... I don't want to see it more then 2-3 times a year actually.

Tell me, without going to look at the COF sheets, how many times we have done side prone this year in CAPRC matches.

[AR15barrels]

When any match has a stage where only 20 percent of the shooters are getting hits, the stage becomes frustrating and pointless to shoot.

Not if you are part of the 20%.
Everyone should strive to be part of the top 20%.
If we made the stages so easy that everyone was hitting 80%, then we might as well just quit giving out awards based on finish position and just give everyone an award for participating.

[DirtRacer151]

I think James makes a really good point. 75 percent of the guys shooting these matches are still working on the fundamentals. When any match has a stage where only 20 percent of the shooters are getting hits, the stage becomes frustrating and pointless to shoot.

Well just because most guys missed it isn't a valid arguement that it needs to go away. It just says those guys need to be more ready to overcome anything. I just don't want to overcome something like that on a regular basis. There is a place for side prone in our sport but IMHO it needs to to be rare. I think id rather take the challenge of one shot at a random distance then shoot tiny groups at 100yds side prone. I think marks last stage was an awesome kink to throw at you guys. 100yd 5shot drills....not so much.

[DirtRacer151]

Tell me, without going to look at the COF sheets, how many times we have done side prone this year in CAPRC matches.

Agree.... it seems to be picking up speed though.

[MichaelV]

Not if you are part of the 20%.
Everyone should strive to be part of the top 20%.
If we made the stages so easy that everyone was hitting 80%, then we might as well just quit giving out awards based on finish position and just give everyone an award for participating.

Now you are being silly, of course we are all striving to be at the top Randall, my point simply is when entire lines of good shooters are all getting zeros then we should look at how to restructure it to make the stage more competitive.

There was even at least one stage in this last comp that no one got past the first row of steel due to time restraints. Not a big deal, it just was a tough (if not impossible) stage to complete.

***Please note, my comments are to give feedback for future matches. I'm not bitching about my final score, I'm a hack either way. It's always a balancing act between making a comp tough and shootable... and I will show up for all of them no matter if you make me shoot inverted.

Big thanks to everyone who puts on a match for us!

[rksimple]

Now you are being silly, of course we are all striving to be at the top Randall, my point simply is when entire lines of good shooters are all getting zeros then we should look at how to restructure it to make the stage more competitive.

Entire lines of good shooters were also missing their cold bores on a 2 moa target the second day. Food for thought.

I'd also like to see entire points possible and all the scores. I'm sure on some stages, like kneeling, some traditionally good shooters got less than 20% of the points possible. Some matches have COFs structured to have the highest score be about 50% of the total points. I think it should be a bit higher personally, but that will always put the lower end around 20% of total possible.

[AR15barrels]

Entire lines of good shooters were also missing their cold bores on a 2 moa target the second day. Food for thought.

I didn't have any food left in me for thought and I hit my 2nd day coldbore shot...