Black Friday is the biggest shopping day of the year, I don't much care for shopping so I'm going shooting while the women shop instead.

Angeles, left side, 8:30. Who's with me?

I was planning on going to zero my new Premier 5-15. What time shall we start?

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I'll most likely be there around 1 or 2 if you're still going to be there. Bringing out all the toys with a few friends I think.

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Zach

I'll be there this Friday.

I might show up and plink.

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I'm down to head out. I have my 100 yard zero at least.

Speaking of Angeles, I just ran across this pic on the web:



It's Angeles from the old days. Note the 400-yard berm. It's not even a berm.

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Really? They seem to have a good reputation. What are the issues you've seen with them?

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might be there also

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I don't do any of those things.

I take it this isn't just people not setting the zero flip correctly right? I'm certainly not ready to compete so as long as it's fixable I'll be happy.
I'm just really not a fan of the reticles in Nightforce and S&Bs. If this one doesn't work out I guess I'll try US optics. Anyone coming Fri have an T-pal I can peep through?

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I should be there Friday morning around 8. It would be nice to meet some fellow shooters and maybe learn a thing or two in the process. Ive been shooting a scoped rifle for only about 2 months....I got A LOT to learn lol.

I'll join you guys too!

I'll be out there tomorrow the 25th for a few hours before turkey feed bag time, i'm going to set some orange clays out at the 600 yd berm. i will leave some untouched for ya'll to play with on friday. i might get out on the 26th also but work might call. sucks being the 24 hour emergency guy but the coin is good.

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I don't do any of those things.

It was cool meeting a few of you out there today. As far as I can tell the scope is working out, once zeroed I busted 3 or 4 of those clays left on the 600Y line. The Premier seemed very easy to get behind to me Randal, the eye relief is wonderful, and I didn't have any issues with shading at the edges. Next weekend I'll try the 10 dot target and see if everything's still kosher, I should also try some sort of box test to make sure it's tracking properly. I am still interested in looking through a USO and F1 though.

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Great shooting with alot of you guys today. I met alot of cool people and gained alot of knowledge. I'd like to thank Ben for helping me figure out some hard dope. I learned alot today.

Does anybody have the conditions for today so I can add that to my dope card? around noonish

For what little it's worth, my phone shows the high today was 65*. Today was beautiful. I haven't seen Angeles that wind-free for a while.

To the CaPRC crew on the far left, sorry we couldn't hook up. The Ranchside Cafe (our usual breakfast spot) opened late this morning and so we got to the range a little late. By the time we got to Angeles we were lucky to get whatever benches we could.

I have only a few pics from today. Four groups with my new handloads:



That's three different loads. The group in the lower right looks like a three-shot group, but it's a five-shot group:



Then I fired another five groups:



That's the same three loads spread over five groups. I was bummed because that one shot out of the group on the top right was the last shot I fired out of the nine groups. As you can see, I have this really bad tendency to have four clustered and one out. It's really hard for me to keep it together for five shots.

I had some rounds left, so I loaded 10 rounds into a magazine, took a big gulp, and went for the CaPRC dot drill:



Man, this target is really tough. The dot is smaller than my crosshair, so aiming is really difficult through my 10X scope. Add the mind job from the time pressure and it's worse. I still shoot way too fast. I have to learn to pace myself. This should be an excellent target to gauge my improvement (if any) over time.

Even with the poor showing on the CaPRC dot drill, I was pleased with my new handloads.

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as aways john, nice photo's...that 10 dot drill is not easy....I think the best I every did was 6/10...I ended up taking the Brother in Law (future) to A Place to Shoot today, was hitting the buff on the top of the hill standing...No why couldnt I do that during SCPRC....hit targets standing/kneeling....?

Anyway, looks like your loads are settling in nice....What is the load...?

I've been trying to match my hard/soft dope changing velocity and bc but I can't get more than 2 numbers to match. 200 and 300 yards are the only ones.

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I don't do any of those things.

Where were you guys shooting at Angeles? I was at last bench on the 600yd side from 8:30-1:00 and didnt seem to see anyone come down that way. True, I haven't actually met any of you guys before so I wasn't sure who was who, but I am guessing none of you were one of the two kids shooting with an AR next to me. There was one fellow about 3rd or 4th bench from the end with a BEAUTIFUL RRA Garand and a single shot 50 though.

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I don't do any of those things.

John,

If you are seeing pressure signs at 45.0 gr's, then you should stop and back off a little from there...also, try different powders. I am using IMR 4895 and Bill at A Place to Shoot was recommending H-4895 from Hodgon...I also tried RE15, N133 from Vita Vhouri and I was going to try N550 also from VV but havent done so yet...Just remember, more velocity will burn out your bbl faster....

As far as a ladder test, I am trying to organize a group trip to Desert Marksman which is halfway out to The Spot that has 600 yard targets with pit service in the near future, so that would be a good distance to do a ladder test and we can drive out to the targets or just post someone in the pit with a radio...I will let you guys know when we can do this...

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Charlie, Well according to S&B usa, last time I called, they can do everything in their us facility with a turnaround time of about 3 weeks so I'm not sure where you got your info.

John, you need better brass to handle higher pressures, the sweet spot for 155 scenars is about 2850-2950 fps and with varget and an ai chamber at your barrel length you would need about 47.5 grains. Switch to 4895.

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God shoots a Remington 700, drives a Chevy Truck and carries a Glock 19.
I don't do any of those things.

Thank you.