New guy question...
I'm new to this sport and want to start off on the right foot.
Can you give some examples of in "X" situation this would be considered "adapting" and that would be considered "gaming"?
Do most COF's state what equipment is and is not allowed, and if certain equipment is allowed, how it can be used?

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I need all the help I can get to get hits, but I would like to score my points based on the "spirit & intent" of the rules, not on a splitting hairs narrow definition of the rules.

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Most often "gaming" occurs when there is latitude/leeway on the interpretation of the stage instructions.
For example:
Instructions: "Stage must be shot in the seated position."
Intent: The stage is configured so the shooter can shoot the stage in the conventional seated firing position (what you were taught in basic).
Gamer: Can be shot by any method as long as my butt in on the ground.......so I'll sit and put my rucksack in front to support the rifle.....etc...

Example in other shooting disciplines is: There's a 28 round Action pistol stage so the "gamer" loads a 33rd glock mag and draws that from the holster....... rather than doing a reload as intended...

It's a way to win, but it generally leaves a bad taste in those that competed to the intent than by the letter of the instructions. And if the gaming is blatant enough the MD usually alters the instructions for the next match to preclude that particular method but gamers never rest......

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God shoots a Remington 700, drives a Chevy Truck and carries a Glock 19.
I don't do any of those things.

I guess gaming is like what they say about what is art and what is porn. ..."I'll know it when I see it".

Anyone got some porn so I can tell if it's art or not?

According to Webster

Main Entry: ga·mer
Pronunciation: \ˈgā-mər\
Function: noun
Date: 21st century
: Jicko
: one that plays
: person who plays a game outside the spirit of the rules in a competitive field or process



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So what exactly did jicko do to make himself famous? I think that was slightly before my time here.

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In the face of a crisis, a failure to act is the first act of failure.
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions.
Sweat saves blood, blood saves lives, but brains saves both.

Gaming is NOT cheating. What it is, Is abiding to the rules/instructions exactly as they are written/spoken.

Jicko sometimes takes that to a whole other level..........

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I don't do any of those things.

I am sure that there was a reason that the photo's were not posted...Maybe someday we will see them....but I think that if you look through some of Mark's (spaniard's) photo's, you mind find some examples....

Damn, I had no idea what "gaming" was either.

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I think gaming is like counting cards in blackjack...totally legal but frowned on (as in take you out back and break your kneecaps) by management.

When I shoot NRA XC matches, the positions (standing, sitting and prone) are tightly controlled by the rules, which are based on the positions taught in the military, there's not much room for "gaming" which is fine, but in our tactical matches some of the stages might require the shooter fire the stage "any position, any support EXCEPT PRONE" which encourages adaptation by the team, I find it interesting to see how each team finds a solution in a real world scenario, there are other stages which require each team member to engage a plate "offhand" where the shooter really has few options outside of the standard position. It seems to me the more strict the rules are the more specialized the equipment becomes, an NRA match rifle is the ideal tool for the XTC game but is not really a practical rifle, I like the practical element of tactical competitions, less regulation (other that common sense safety) more problem solving, improvising and adapting is at the core of what tactical matches are.
Gary

excellent point Gary...Tactical is definately not a pick you shooting condition, time, position....Its using the equipment that you have and adapting to overcome....(something that I have to learn)

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God shoots a Remington 700, drives a Chevy Truck and carries a Glock 19.
I don't do any of those things.

^^^ that version of "seated" does not involve actually sitting.

Sitting is a rest position supported by the buttocks or thighs where the torso is more or less upright.

Did not need to post that first pic...

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LMAO ok now thats gaming!!

That was classic!

But the defining moment was what happened when he was told "no elbows on the ground."

Just be thankful that Kurtis wasn't there...I am sure he would have had some choice comments

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God shoots a Remington 700, drives a Chevy Truck and carries a Glock 19.
I don't do any of those things.

I don't see how that could pass ANY definition of seated.

What, none of you guys sit like that?

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“finding an advantage”

This should be used to help you win

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That Jicko picture is supposed to be kneeling, not seated.

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I would like to also add that while a lot of folks did write me about now what is coined as the "so cal sitting" position, it was within the rules.

Since it was a big deal to a lot of shooters, we did some research by contacting other MDs around the country that run big events to see what their thoughts were. This simple statement sums it up "the idea of the sitting position is to get you over something that you can't shoot with the prone" But, it was within our rules and we got caught with our pants down. Shit happens, live and learn.

Personally, the day I have to start writing rules and COFs like a lawyer, I will just simply quit doing what I do. It is less heartache and less hate mail by both sides. One that says they were being creative, and the other saying they were gaming.

We can debate this topic until we are blue in the face and will have to agree to disagree.

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most of us shot in that posistion for the very first time at TBRC. We were practicing the night before in the living room at Charlie's brothers house. Anyone who had a problem with it could've very easily done the same thing with little to no practice and still done well.

BTW, after Ryan posted the rules yesterday I went home and did some experimenting. I can successfully duplicate the posistion with hands supported by knees and stock in shoulder. It was 15" from the ground too

Headed to the range tonight to stretch out a little

Vu, best way I have seen to combat the getting around rules thing, is instead of giving a "you must shoot seated", make them shoot behind a barrier that demands they modify to what ever position you want them to. Kyle Lamb cut up a barrier with holes at different heights, that is easy to build. You say shoot through hole number what ever and the problem demands the position. I bet I can find the plans if you want them. It should keep the blood pressure down for all.

Ryan, maybe meet up with this girl to work out your next seated position.