Lately there has been talk of people wanting to see different things at the matches. I want to hear what you guys have to say about this. I am in favor if making things more difficult/fun. There is a few problems with this though. To turn up the heat requires more work. We are already stretching our resources as is. This would mean more help before and after matches to help set up and take down and would also mean you guys wont be going home at noon either. I personally am willing to put in the effort and stay later if needs be.

We go pretty easy on you guys with our matches. I would like to see more technical stuff vs the 100yd paper precision BS. I know some of you new guys are thinking that your having a hard time as it is. Just because we make a COF harder or more technical doesn't mean it challenges only you more. I want to start challenging Ryan even! If its harder for you I can assure its harder for everyone. If you shoot a perfect score on a stage because it was easy and it makes you feel good about yourself then we're only cheating you! Chances are everyone thought it was easy and shot perfect scores. Its all in your head. It always cracks me up how shitty I do on offhand shooting yet when I see everyone elses scores mine doesn't look so bad anymore. Its because even though I struggled through the stage and felt bad about my performance it was an equal struggle for everyone else and it makes us all better shooters in the end.

We make it a goal to be done by 12 every month. Sometimes we go over and sometimes we finish early. This goal really limits the time we are allowed to do things. More time equals better stages and more shooting but we don't want to hurt our turn outs because you guys told the wife would meet them at the cafe for brunch if you got to go shooting.

So what did you guys think about the man vs man stage last month? Would you like to see more barricades or more posistional? Or do you love shooting pool balls at 100yds every month? Who's up for a desert style run and gun match this ear? (Be prepared to get your ass whooped and get dirty if you answer yes )

I want to hear your guys opinions but before you answer anything else I want 3 answers-

Do you want it-
a) harder
b) the same
c) easier

What time do you want to leave by?
a) 11
b) 12
C) 1
d) 2
e) I don't care if it means more shooting!!

Are you willing to help out?
a) yes
b) no

I haven't competed in many matches and got my ass whooped every time. Still, I have fun and learn something everytime. Even so, I'd be down for more challenging stages and especially a desert match. I was just thinking about that after seeing the videos from TPRC - I don't know if that was in the desert or at a range but it looked awesome!

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-Without sounding too gay, I want it harder.
-Don't care when I leave, because I hit traffic regardless on the way back to SD.
-Yes I could help some.

I think everyone enjoyed the man vs man stage and would like to see more head to head style shooting stages. That type of shooting adds an additional element of pressure, forces you to shoot differently and out of your comfort zone. Although, if you have an old timer shooting against a first timer I think these stages are counter-productive, which I'll address below an option. I for one would prefer barricades and positional because they highlight everyones weaknesses. In fact, think of anything that is difficult to practice, and odds are it will be a good stage. A Desert match "run n gun" would be tits and I'd be down!

That aside, Please don't take my pool balls. Thats the only stage I'm certain of.

One thing that might be considered in the near future is different classes of shooters instead of a mad free for all for 1st place. Top 308 is a derivative of this idea already, but I'm referring to different skill level classes. Novice, Intermediate, Expert, Sharpshooter, Marksman, Ass Master, whatever, etc. The end of year points system could help establish a ranking order possibly, or just allow shooters to classify themselves. The goal, allowing that first year shooter the opportunity to compete and win a class (instead of getting his/her ass kicked every month all year long by Ryan). I find it interesting precision rifle competition is one of the only shooting disciplines that does not do this yet, and probably due to the small number of people who compete.

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Do you want it-
a) challenging


What time do you want to leave by?
e) I don't care if it means more shooting!!

Are you willing to help out?
a) yes, but depends on kid's schedule...

1) B. I want it to stay the same till I win top 308 then make it harder

2) IDGAF I will be there as long as it takes (unless Ho wants to go to the ranch side cafe and talk about watches then peace out lol jk)

3) Most definately

Man vs man was cool I think there should be a stage with the same principles in every match. I would like to see barricades as I (and many others im sure) havent been fortunate enough to do so. Also lets got some targets out to 1000 @ angeles man! I'll show up at the crack of dawn and help if need be!

Edit: IN FOR SETHS ASSMASTER CLASS

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Even though I still rank at the bottom, I wouldn't mind more challenging stages. The February match was more fun than the January because it was more challenging. I don't mind what time it ends, within reason. And I'd definitely be able to help.

I've seen a bunch of people in here looking. Do you not have an opinion? Speak up guys!!

I don't care if you answer- c..b...a
just answer something!!

Do I need to post a rolex to get your guys attention?

I think we should keep the difficulty level the same. We have so many different level shooters, no reason kill the fun factor for the majority of competitors. We should be done by 12-1pm to keep it viable. I would love to help out.

So..

1. Same
2. 1pm
3. yes

oh and yes to the desert shoot. love the dirty.

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A little harder is good, but also, more innovation. I don't want things to stagnate with the same ol' "in n' out," pool balls, and the like. Usually, I like to be done by 1 or 2 as I have a 2 hour trip home. As far as helping, I don't care if I'm helping one second and shooting the next.

MikeV- so because we have new shooters with a lower skill level we should baby them? Im pretty sure that's why we have clinics for new shooters. Thanks for your input though

One of my main concerns with the way our matches/clincs are done is that they all cater to the new shooter. I want to do advanced clinics for experienced shooters where we all test eachother and expose weaknesses and I want to run matches where we are simulating big matches where it really counts. We can limp the new guys along in the beginers clinics... after that its time to play with the big boys. This isn't about winning or loosing. Its about getting better everytime you pull that trigger and gaining confidence.

Harder!
1-2
of course!

Also agree with what Ryan said I think we need more variation. Not the same old stuff.

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Looks like the general consensus is to make things harder. While thats all fine and good, having more inventiveness and variety is also a huge issue. Many people at the TPRC last weekend said "hey, I need to get down to one of your matches." I said don't waste you're time. I'd never drive over 2 hours for the COF that we're putting on right now. Seriously, this is rookie shit. Much of that is a necessary evil of being limited to Angeles. But some of it isn't. When someone comes up with something new and exciting, it shouldn't be crapped on by saying, "thats too hard. They won't like it." Is that what Scott, Kurt, Vu, Frank, et al. say? Just look at this statement:

"The February match was more fun than the January because it was more challenging."

Did Kurt dumb down his match when it started getting popular? I used to compete up there when there were 5 of us total. It grew despite not being easy for noobs.

What exactly are we trying to accomplish with our matches? I think thats the question that needs to be answered. Are they supposed to be training for new guys to compete in bigger matches? Are they supposed to be what we think new guys will like? Are they supposed to challenge even the seasoned shooters? Are they supposed to be a place where we can test and evaluate new COFs that nobody has ever shot before?

Before we answer the above question, I don't think we're ever going to come to an agreement on anything.

Do you want it-
b) the same

What time do you want to leave by?
C) 1

Are you willing to help out?
b) no

I hate to say but "Top 308" doesn't make much sense in our matches. The Top 308 was invented because 6 and 6.5mm bullets have such an advantage at 600+ yards. Inside of that my GAP 308 matches my RR .260.

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